Congratulations on getting your business going, Joe. I hope you are very
successful.

Joe wrote:
Greetings fellow Sailors,

Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about
sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here
first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co.


I wish you good luck on the voyage and success with the business.


RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and
grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC.


I'll be very interested to know what difference you notice between bio-
diesel and the stuff from percolated dinosaurs, especially after a
couple hundred running hours. Did you change anything on the engines
to burn the stuff?

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

On Sep 20, 4:49 pm, wrote:
Joe wrote:
Greetings fellow Sailors,

Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about
sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here
first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co.

I wish you good luck on the voyage and success with the business.



Thanks Doug

RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and
grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC.

I'll be very interested to know what difference you notice between bio-
diesel and the stuff from percolated dinosaurs, especially after a
couple hundred running hours. Did you change anything on the engines
to burn the stuff?

Nothing..I had modern synthetic fuel lines ..
I'll let you know.

Joe

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of
all
thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice.





Joe, that's awesome!!!

Congrats and please log your trips via video and pictures! I'm sure
some folks here would love to see how it goes.

Fair winds to you,


Robert B
35s5
NY

On Sep 20, 11:28 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of
all
thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice.



Joe, that's awesome!!!

Congrats and please log your trips via video and pictures! I'm sure
some folks here would love to see how it goes.

Fair winds to you,

Robert B
35s5
NY

What would be a good (cheap) digital recorder for video's?
I do not need much memory as I could download the camera daily to a
hard drive.

I have a couple nice Cannon's and will stick to 35MM film.

Thanks for the fair winds wish.

Joe

First I want to say good luck on your venture. It sounds like a very
interesting prospect and I really hope it works out.

I was wondering if you had looked into some of the new kite technology
out there. I was looking into this for an additional sail on a boat I
am building and I came across several sites that make huge kite sails
for cargo ships. They market to the container ships but if RedCloud
is big enough and could benefit it seems like it may help your venture
out. Shaving a few days off of shipping time could be very profitable
for you from what I understand.

I thought I would ask and see if you had any insight into this
technology since I am considering using it myself but haven't met
anyone that has done it yet. From what I have read it seems to be
useful.

Good luck,
Bill

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Greetings fellow Sailors,

Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about
sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here
first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co.

The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She
will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first
load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time
to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago
Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip)
in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing
vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about
coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC
Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via
sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail.


It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following:

So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . .

Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you
could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not
much more cost than from Houston? Doh! Your customers will pay the
freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping.
Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue altogether and
this would offset the extra shipping.

Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your
venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
It's the dawn of the new age of sail.

It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following:

So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . .

E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction?
How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well.

Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you
could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not
much more cost than from Houston?

Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1
lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the
manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel
than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of
the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a
large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a
pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster?

Doh! Your customers will pay the
freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping.

I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a
step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I
hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that
any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the
star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards.

Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue
altogether and
this would offset the extra shipping.

We will sell it local and ship it.

Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your
venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps.

How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud?
What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to
help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm
betting that many will be.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
It's the dawn of the new age of sail.

It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following:

So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . .

E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction?
How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well.

Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when
you
could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at
not
much more cost than from Houston?

Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1
lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the
manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel
than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of
the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a
large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a
pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster?

Doh! Your customers will pay the
freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping.

I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a
step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I
hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that
any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the
star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards.

Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue
altogether and
this would offset the extra shipping.

We will sell it local and ship it.

Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your
venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps.

How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud?
What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to
help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm
betting that many will be.

Joe


Shipping it on Red Cloud will end up being more expensive than you think
provided you pay the crew a fair wage (on the books) even if the wage
isn't really collected. And you and I both know you can't count on
anything but headwinds on the return trip that time of year. You'll end
up burning lots of diesel. But, it's possible you might beat the
prevailing winds and get a sailing window. Have you researched the pilot
charts for that time of year?

Well, there IS such a thing as a niche market and coffee seems to be a
good way to go as there are lots of greenies sipping with a pinky stuck
out who identify with coffee. Starbucks sure has cashed in on thousands
of dumb liberals who are willing to pay three or four bucks for a cup of
latte.

I wish you well but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the
Mermaid is sharp there.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 21, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
It's the dawn of the new age of sail.

It's the dawn of stupidity, I'm afraid. Consider the following:

So you're selling it on E-Bay? And it's really great coffee. . .

E-bay and at ellagocoffee.com. What's wrong with a public auction?
How better to reach the masses? Will sell of craigslist as well.

Then ask yourself what's the use of shipping it up to Houston when you
could sit on your boat in Ambergris and Fed Ex it from Ambergris at not
much more cost than from Houston?

Sorry, check out the shipping rates from Belize..10lbs 99 dollars..1
lb 10 dollars and that is from the mainland. Regardless it's is the
manner in which it is shipped Wilbur. Commerce and trade use more fuel
than mfg. If we can reduce the fuel use in trade we can reduce one of
the worlds major sources of oil consumption. Would you rather pay a
large oil burning freighter the major portion of that 9 bucks a
pound.. or a sailor who can get it to market faster?

Doh! Your customers will pay the
freight anyway and I doubt they balk at a little more for shipping.

I can not cure the whole worlds dependence on oil, but I can take a
step towards reducing the dependence in one step in the process. I
hope my model of eco-friendly sustainable transport catches on that
any sailor in the future will have a pollution free sky to see the
star, to which he can helm a great sailing ship towards.

Besides, you can probably avoid the state sales tax issue
altogether and
this would offset the extra shipping.

We will sell it local and ship it.

Check out the Fed Ex or UPS rates and you'll see the folly of your
venture. They can ship it cheaper than you can. I hope this helps.

How do you know what it's going to cost me to ship it on RedCloud?
What if it cost more? Are you not willing to spend an extra dime to
help a fellow sailor and the planet? You may not be Wilbur, but I'm
betting that many will be.

Joe


Shipping it on Red Cloud will end up being more expensive than you think
provided you pay the crew a fair wage (on the books) even if the wage
isn't really collected. And you and I both know you can't count on
anything but headwinds on the return trip that time of year. You'll end up
burning lots of diesel. But, it's possible you might beat the prevailing
winds and get a sailing window. Have you researched the pilot charts for
that time of year?

Well, there IS such a thing as a niche market and coffee seems to be a
good way to go as there are lots of greenies sipping with a pinky stuck
out who identify with coffee. Starbucks sure has cashed in on thousands of
dumb liberals who are willing to pay three or four bucks for a cup of
latte.

I wish you well but I hope you've got a brain for marketing. Maybe the
Mermaid is sharp there.

Wilbur Hubbard

As always, Wilbur is brilliant. Starbucks is about image, it's the privelege
of paying $4 for a cup of coffee. If they charged 50 cents a cup they would
go broke due to lack of sales.
What ever happened to the "Old cup of Joe" like Forrest Tucker made in his
helmet in "The Sands of Iwo Jima"? Shells, bombs and bullets flying about,
manly men doing manly things and enjoying a simple cup of coffee while the
Japs (wearing shiny helmets that reflected the camera lights) bayoneted his
buddies. Now that's coffe and that is ambience. Starbucks doesn't even rate
compared to that.


"Life is tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid."

John Wayne, Sands of Iwo Jima