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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:52:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Dave only pays attention when he hears the sound of an ambulance! :-)

Sounds like you know even less about the range of what lawyers do than
Wilbur.


Much less!!

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Aug 17, 11:59 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through
the
very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so
closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in
the
galley. "

My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified.

Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more
than
basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then
it
would be required by law.

Wow... I guess that's why I said should.

DUTY:
Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact
unless
he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until
he
hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess
newbe
Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft
wake
in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him,
and
that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft.

A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say.

Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow
get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a
newbee...like you.

Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's
not
good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules.

Where in the rules does it say you can not throw a wake on anyone?

So, you think it's ok then?

Sure it's OK to throw a wake..but you need to know when it's OK. Some
newbees do not understand when it's OK and when it not OK.

Many new Skippers do not have a clue. They are the ones running junk
like the boat Scout reported.

Lets take you for instance..You have a 50GT with a towing
endorsement. Just how many 50 ton tugboats or crewboats have you
handled? If you landed a job would you know everything needed to be
the Captain of the boat? Would you be a newbee?


Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything.

Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements?

Again, your licences is a licences to learn.

What? No way. You get a license, you're legally responsible. End of
story.
If you learn more, that's great, but it has nothing to do with your
current
license.

yeah right it has nothing to do with the licences, it has to do with
being a Captain of a boat.

Jon, I trained many many new skippers on 100 ton boats..In the oil
field you would work under another master until he OK'ed it with the
company to turn you loose with a 10 millin dollar + boat. With what
you said above it would be a long long time and several humbeling
events before I would turn you loose with a boat and crew.

Different situation. No one would just hand over a 100 ton boat to a
novice,
but the *license* has nothing to say about that. You're qualified, as far
as
the CG is concerned.

Indeed.. It's a license to learn. You are still a newbee if you take
on a vessel than uses the total tonnage available. Now if your going
to get a license to just hang on the wall and keep sailing little
boats that you have been on all your life, and never advance..... then
by all means your are qualified and not a newbee.


You remind me of one fellow I called Capt Crunch. We were running in
to SW pass of the Missippi and he grounded my boat on a sand bar..120
footer. Threw me out of the bunk. He came in at a right angle of the
pass ...way of course. I got up, took me about an hour to dig the boat
off the bar and get it back on course...then the ****ball has the
guall to complain that he should have been allowed to dig the boat off
after the MF was standing there shivering not knowing what to do. I
never allowed him to take the wheel except in open water again.. Thank
God... He quit.

Sounds like you made the mistake of handing him the keys. How this
reminds
you of me, I have no idea unless he was very, very good looking.

He thought he had all the skills needed. He was new as second Capt.
The reason 100 ton crewboats have two licenced skippers is they are
underway more than 12 hours per day. I had a long trip out, and very
long cold wet offload, the boat has outside stern controls. I told him
to wake me at the sea bouy. he was heading straight for it, and the
sand bars that run for several miles before the rock line jettie.

He got off course by about 6 miles, then when he saw the seabouy he
headed straight for it like a blind fool.


Like you he thought because he had a licences that he knew everything
needed to run a boat.

Never said that. Now you're just making things up.

Let's review Jon...focus now.

" A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say."


Joe



Well, you certainly destroyed my arguments. I hope you feel good about
yourself!


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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:01 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Form 10 or Schedule 13D I'll send him to you.

Bwaahahahahahahahhahaha. So you're an income tax lawyer. Say it isn't
so. How can you live with yourself? Don't you ever yearn for a real
job

LOL. You better learn to Goggle a bit better, Wilbur, since you don't
even
know what agency those forms would be filed with. Hint: they aren't
tax
forms.

So, it's stock market crap. Corporation loophole paperwork. Not much
difference from income tax forms. Very boring work at best. Make you
insane at worst. Now I understand you better.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:03:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

I know all about what lawyers do.

Sure ya do, Wilbur. Next time I hear from somebody in FL who has to file a
Form 10 or Schedule 13D I'll send him to you.

Apparently you believe:
people = guilty until proven innocent
injured and innocent party seeking justice = clown
discussion in a newsgroup = calling for the wrath of God
you are unable to empathize
No offense Dave but you'd be a poor choice for anyone needing legal help.
Seems to me that you are the epitome of an American lawyer: cold, selfish,
insensitive, self-righteous.

Ahoy Scout
 

Going sailing this w/e? Looks like a good one.

Scotty

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:20:16 -0400, "Scout" said:

you are unable to empathize
No offense Dave but you'd be a poor choice for anyone needing legal help.
Seems to me that you are the epitome of an American lawyer: cold, selfish,
insensitive, self-righteous.

No offense, Scout, but you're an ass.

Yeah, well I guess it takes one to know one.
And by the way, you're the ass who decided to pass judgment without any
knowledge whatsoever. You must really suck as a lawyer.

Ahoy Scout
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Going sailing this w/e? Looks like a good one.

Scotty

I'm leaving Friday night if all goes well; we'll stay out on the Bay until
Sunday noon then head back.
You're right, it should be a great weekend.
The horseflies are really bad this year though, how are they on the Chessy?

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Dave wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:37:16 -0400, "Scout" said:


Yeah, well I guess it takes one to know one.


Ah, such freshness. Such originality!

Lordy, both of you go stand in the corner...

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:37:16 -0400, "Scout" said:

Yeah, well I guess it takes one to know one.

Ah, such freshness. Such originality!

haha, like this?
"you're an ass"
brilliant!

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On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for
5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on
the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley.

With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam
reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel
(i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at
such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the
channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I
allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe
injury to my crew.

I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small
boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally
obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not
in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I
must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape
you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the
U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake
of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence
far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey.

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title
and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.