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To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:
I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for 5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel (i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe injury to my crew. I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey. Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title and his license. http://www.missbeachhaven.com/ B.J. Law Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or jeopardize the safety of others. |
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On Aug 13, 4:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven: I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for 5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel (i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe injury to my crew. I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey. Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/ B.J. Law Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or jeopardize the safety of others. B.J. Law; Well done. I'd send a copy to your local newspapers as well. To bad you did not have a camera to take picks. Find where he advertises and run an ad telling what he did. If the boat is owned and operated by the same person someone really mad might go out on his charter and see just how many things he could screw up. He might start by flushing a whole roll of toilet paper in the head clogging that up. Vomit in the passangers lounge, Hook the bait boy. Bust out a window in the wheel house with a heavy lead fishing weight while casting, deploy the liferaft, epirb, and see if you can drop a dock line so it fouls in the props, cut loose his fenders, use a sharp knife on anything like seats cushions ect, find the thermostst and set it on full heat then remove it's dial. No excuse for some stupid throttle jockey to whip a wake on anyone. No matter where you are you are responsiable for your wake. Joe |
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oups.com... To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven: I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for 5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel (i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe injury to my crew. I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey. Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title and his license. http://www.missbeachhaven.com/ B.J. Law Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or jeopardize the safety of others. We had a somewhat similar incident (no engine available however) a year or so ago in the Richardson Bay channel with one of the local fishing charter boats.. big wake, steaming very close, not following the rules of the road. I reported the incident to the harbor master. He gave them a warning with one-more-report-and-you're-out language. I doubt this is MBH's first time. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. |
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"roger" wrote in message
oups.com... Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag |
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On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, "Seahag" wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is. And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group, since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard. B John Law |
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:23:00 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap: We had a somewhat similar incident (no engine available however) a year or so ago in the Richardson Gay channel with one of the local fishing charter boats.. big wake, steaming very close, not following the rules of the road. I reported the incident to the harbor master. How very gay of you. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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"Seahag" wrote in message
news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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oups.com... On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, "Seahag" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is. And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group, since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard. B John Law I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
... wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, "Seahag" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is. And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group, since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard. B John Law I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. |
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"Scout" wrote in message
. .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message {snipped} I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. By the way JG, the company has not even bothered to respond to my complaint. |
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. .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, "Seahag" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is. And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group, since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard. B John Law I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. No... but a rant doesn't make the complainer look better. I think they should be reported. One angry person on the newsgroup (we only have one right?) isn't going to change anyone's opinion IMHO. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... "Scout" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message {snipped} I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. By the way JG, the company has not even bothered to respond to my complaint. Ah, well, since it's you... :-) I doubt they would. The only thing you can do that will likely be effective is to report them to the authorities... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
... "Scout" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message {snipped} I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. By the way JG, the company has not even bothered to respond to my complaint. Ah, well, since it's you... :-) I doubt they would. The only thing you can do that will likely be effective is to report them to the authorities... Thanks JG - I've used two long standing nom de plumes here, with only the Coast Guard getting my real info. I'm pretty ****ed about the whole incident, as you can see, and I intend to push it until they agree to make a change. There were boats smaller than mine in their wake; I saw others hanging on for dear life as they sped past. It's not right. I don't get shaken up easily but this was real close and really threw us around for no good reason. |
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. .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message {snipped} I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. By the way JG, the company has not even bothered to respond to my complaint. Ah, well, since it's you... :-) I doubt they would. The only thing you can do that will likely be effective is to report them to the authorities... Thanks JG - I've used two long standing nom de plumes here, with only the Coast Guard getting my real info. I'm pretty ****ed about the whole incident, as you can see, and I intend to push it until they agree to make a change. There were boats smaller than mine in their wake; I saw others hanging on for dear life as they sped past. It's not right. I don't get shaken up easily but this was real close and really threw us around for no good reason. I hear ya... In our case, it was about 5:30pm and they were late for dinner... bozos... gave us and another boat the finger when we were gesturing wildly at them... didn't slow down, didn't move an inch. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Aug 13, 8:06 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scout" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message {snipped} I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. By the way JG, the company has not even bothered to respond to my complaint. Ah, well, since it's you... :-) I doubt they would. The only thing you can do that will likely be effective is to report them to the authorities... -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What.... to the Harbor master like you did Jon? Hardly the authorities..call the USCG. If anyone was injured a hearing will have to be conducted and the operator could loose his ticket. As a boat captain, regardless of the size of your vessel, you are responsible for your wake. That includes any damages that occur as a result of your wake, regardless of whether you had the right of way or the location. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com... On Aug 13, 8:06 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Scout" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message {snipped} I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping, even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it dilutes your credibility. I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning. By the way JG, the company has not even bothered to respond to my complaint. Ah, well, since it's you... :-) I doubt they would. The only thing you can do that will likely be effective is to report them to the authorities... -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What.... to the Harbor master like you did Jon? Hardly the authorities..call the USCG. If anyone was injured a hearing will have to be conducted and the operator could loose his ticket. As a boat captain, regardless of the size of your vessel, you are responsible for your wake. That includes any damages that occur as a result of your wake, regardless of whether you had the right of way or the location. Joe Joe, the harbor master controls the slips in our marina. He fields complaints. Calling the CG after the fact probably won't do much unless there's damage or injury. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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wrote: "Seahag" wrote: While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is. And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group, since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard. I didn't realize you reported the incident...by all means vent away! The only thought I have is generally lawyers prefer their clients not to discuss a pending case. Since you had an injury have you talked to your insurance company? Perhaps a letter to Boat US would be in order as well. Seahag |
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"Capt. JG" wrote: I hear ya... In our case, it was about 5:30pm and they were late for dinner... bozos... gave us and another boat the finger when we were gesturing wildly at them... didn't slow down, didn't move an inch. We were on the river headed to St.Michaels when we got seriously waked. They had the whole damn river to play in but just had to dead cross my bow. The old Tahiti took her time turning so I couldn't take it on the quarter. I just had time to yell,"WAKE" when it hit. The bow buried right to the mainmast when we came down and 2 6" firehose jets of water blasted thru the cabin from the forward portholes. I thought we were goners, but the bow came back up and things eventually quit flogging around. Bill and the cat were fine. Of course by that time the powerboat was gone so we never got a name nor the pleasure of exchanging hand signals. Seahag |
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"Seahag" wrote in message
news:aIiwi.1$7f.0@trndny09... "Capt. JG" wrote: I hear ya... In our case, it was about 5:30pm and they were late for dinner... bozos... gave us and another boat the finger when we were gesturing wildly at them... didn't slow down, didn't move an inch. We were on the river headed to St.Michaels when we got seriously waked. They had the whole damn river to play in but just had to dead cross my bow. The old Tahiti took her time turning so I couldn't take it on the quarter. I just had time to yell,"WAKE" when it hit. The bow buried right to the mainmast when we came down and 2 6" firehose jets of water blasted thru the cabin from the forward portholes. I thought we were goners, but the bow came back up and things eventually quit flogging around. Bill and the cat were fine. Of course by that time the powerboat was gone so we never got a name nor the pleasure of exchanging hand signals. Seahag Yeah, I don't get that... it's typical that we're sailing along and some huge cabin cruiser decides to accelerate in front of us, threading the needle between us and a boat at anchor instead of going behind. It's not unusual for him to actually go a greater distance that way than if he just went behind us. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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. .. "katy" wrote in message ... wrote: On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, "Seahag" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is. And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group, since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard. B John Law Next time he sees you he'll probably t-bone ya out of spite... Which makes a good argument for letting as many people know about it as possible. At least then, if something did happen, folks here could ask some questions! :o) Well, ok.. you convinced me. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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ups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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news:Xniwi.4445$2C4.472@trndny07... wrote: "Seahag" wrote: While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is. And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group, since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard. I didn't realize you reported the incident...by all means vent away! The only thought I have is generally lawyers prefer their clients not to discuss a pending case. Since you had an injury have you talked to your insurance company? Perhaps a letter to Boat US would be in order as well. Seahag Thanks Haggie, A bruise is all but it could have been a lot worse. I will see them on the water again and would be happy just to see a change in their MO. |
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On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:51:56 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. One sees this kind of thing all the time. Some clown thinking he's gonna bring down the wrath of God on a miscreant by posting his story in a news group. Fact is that a posting here has about as much impact as the sound of a tree falling in a vacant wilderness. Sorta reminds me of young lawyers fresh out of law school who thunder in a temper tantrum "I'm a lawyer and I'm gonna sue you." The appropriate answer is generally, of course "So sue me." I hope people's lives don't depend on you getting your facts straight and paying attention to details. |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:47:45 -0700, Joe
wrote this crap: Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Don't ask Jon-boy about a "master" anything. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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"Scout" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message I didn't realize you reported the incident...by all means vent away! The only thought I have is generally lawyers prefer their clients not to discuss a pending case. Since you had an injury have you talked to your insurance company? Perhaps a letter to Boat US would be in order as well. Thanks Haggie, A bruise is all but it could have been a lot worse. I will see them on the water again and would be happy just to see a change in their MO. That's for sure. Nothing like frying bacon and having some jerk pound your boat all over the place. Seahag |
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On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! Maybe some people don't think snitching is the answer to everything? Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting at people, what do you call it? If she killed or injured someone, she would surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake. You just advocated it. And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what? ... as opposed to the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in the marina? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting at people, what do you call it? She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective errosion control. If she killed or injured someone, she would surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake. Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp? Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow down next time" You just advocated it. To each his own.. And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what? Follow through with the proper actions. ... as opposed to the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in the marina? As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his licences. You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are taken. Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ? Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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