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On Aug 13, 7:22 pm, wrote:
On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, "Seahag" wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote:
"roger" wrote:
Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought
that you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know.
Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or
something.

Yup.. you got it right.

While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported
it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the
boat all over the internet.

Seahag

Thanks Seahag, but why not do both, as I am in fact doing? I'm not
sure if you are saying it's wrong of me to mention his disregard
publicly, but that is exactly what my intent was, and is.
And as I said in the OP, I am reporting this to the Coast Gaurd. In
the meantime, it seems like fair game for discussion in this group,
since it sure seamed like a sailboat was something to be disdained, at
least to this captain. I have to put up with the typical wakes which
sometimes play havoc with the balance of my rig, but a 5 foot wave
from 30 feet away needs somebody to stand up and be heard.
B John Law

I wrote the USCG about a similar incident that happened
to me in 1997.

They told me that unless the guy hit me, there was nothing
they could do. Bad mouthing is an appropriate response
because the guy deserves some punishment.

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On Aug 13, 9:41 pm, Joe wrote:
On Aug 13, 8:06 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:



"Scout" wrote in message

...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
{snipped}

I think it makes you look less professional, thus suspect. I don't think
it really adds any value to the complaint and it sounds like griping,
even though you're right about, well, being right, according to what you
said happened. Of course, without us all being there, we only have your
word for it, but since you're publically slamming the company, it
dilutes your credibility.

I should keep it a secret? I don't get that reasoning.

By the way JG, the company has not even bothered to respond to my
complaint.

Ah, well, since it's you... :-) I doubt they would. The only thing you can
do that will likely be effective is to report them to the authorities...

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"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

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What.... to the Harbor master like you did Jon? Hardly the
authorities..call the USCG. If anyone was injured a hearing will have
to be conducted and the operator could loose his ticket.

As a boat captain, regardless of the size of your vessel, you are
responsible for your wake. That includes any damages that occur as a
result of your wake, regardless of whether you had the right of way or
the location.

Joe

Good point Joe. It would be a good idea to file a
claim against them.

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On Aug 14, 10:09 am, "Seahag" wrote:

fine. Of course by that time the powerboat was gone so we
never got a name nor the pleasure of exchanging hand
signals.

Seahag


Hand signals. Well put Haggie!

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"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for
5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on
the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley.

With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam
reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel
(i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at
such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the
channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I
allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe
injury to my crew.

I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small
boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally
obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not
in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I
must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape
you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the
U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake
of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence
far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey.

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title
and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.

Thanks Bart, I appreciate your support!

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"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for
5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on
the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley.

With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam
reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel
(i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at
such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the
channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I
allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe
injury to my crew.

I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small
boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally
obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not
in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I
must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape
you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the
U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake
of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence
far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey.

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title
and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.

Thanks Bart, I appreciate your support!



Just curious Bart... did the guy respond?


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www.sailnow.com

Ahoy Scout
 

"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Going sailing this w/e? Looks like a good one.

Scotty

I'm leaving Friday night if all goes well; we'll stay out
on the Bay until
Sunday noon then head back.
You're right, it should be a great weekend.
The horseflies are really bad this year though, how are
they on the Chessy?


Saw a few small black flies, the ones that bite your ankles,
that's all.
Beautiful day Saturday, crappy rainy Sunday.

Scotty

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wrote in message
oups.com...
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:


Snip (is that allowed in this newsgroup??????)

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title
and his license.
http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.


Try this link:

http://www.missbeachhaven.com/Contact.htm

I just sent 'em an e-mail saying that I would NOT be chartering with them
because of the incident you reported.

I even cut-and pasted much of your description, including the time and the
date.

It may or not be true (what *I* told them), but I bet it gets someone's
attention.

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"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:



B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.


Heh heh. Read the post that I just sent.

*I* won't be chartering with them. Maybe I wouldn't have anyway, but I sure
won't now.

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On Aug 20, 12:23 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scout" wrote in message

...



"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for
5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on
the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley.

With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam
reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel
(i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at
such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the
channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I
allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe
injury to my crew.

I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small
boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally
obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not
in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I
must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape
you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the
U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake
of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence
far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey.

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title
and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.

Thanks Bart, I appreciate your support!

Just curious Bart... did the guy respond?

--
"j" ganz

No reply to my email. Either they are fact checking
or embarrassed, or perhaps they don't give a damn.

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On Aug 20, 9:12 pm, "Captain Crunch" wrote:
"Bart" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.

Heh heh. Read the post that I just sent.

*I* won't be chartering with them. Maybe I wouldn't have anyway, but I sure
won't now.

The funny thing is I was just down there on the 14th,
and have to go back again in a few weeks. Perhaps
I'll drop in and, as Haggie puts it, exchange hand
signals with them.

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On Aug 20, 3:57 am, "Scout" wrote:
"Bart" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for
5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on
the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley.

With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam
reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel
(i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at
such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the
channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I
allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe
injury to my crew.

I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small
boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally
obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not
in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I
must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape
you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the
U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake
of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence
far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey.

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title
and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.

Thanks Bart, I appreciate your support!

Scout, So you were the one that started this
thread? Now I know it is not BS. Do you
keep your boat near there? I'll be driving
down there in a few weeks. Perhaps we
can meet for lunch.

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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..

Ah, such freshness. Such originality!

haha, like this?
"you're an ass"
brilliant!

But the difference is that in reprising the "no offense" from your patently
offensive post, I added a twist of sarcasm missing from the original.
Perhaps I shouldn't have expected you to pick up on that.

Difference between thrusting a rapier and firing a blunderbuss.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...

"Scout" wrote in message
. ..

Ah, such freshness. Such originality!

haha, like this?
"you're an ass"
brilliant!

But the difference is that in reprising the "no offense" from your
patently offensive post, I added a twist of sarcasm missing from the
original. Perhaps I shouldn't have expected you to pick up on that.

Difference between thrusting a rapier and firing a blunderbuss.

Give it up Dave, you've got nothing.

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"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 20, 3:57 am, "Scout" wrote:
"Bart" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for
5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on
the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley.

With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam
reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel
(i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at
such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the
channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I
allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe
injury to my crew.

I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small
boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally
obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not
in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I
must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape
you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the
U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake
of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence
far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey.

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title
and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.

I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business.

Thanks Bart, I appreciate your support!

Scout, So you were the one that started this
thread? Now I know it is not BS. Do you
keep your boat near there? I'll be driving
down there in a few weeks. Perhaps we
can meet for lunch.

Thanks Bart - please let me know when you are making the trip. My work load
is ramping up but if I can sneak out for half a day I'd love to meet you and
do a lunch!
Scout

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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..

Scout, So you were the one that started this
thread? Now I know it is not BS. Do you
keep your boat near there? I'll be driving
down there in a few weeks. Perhaps we
can meet for lunch.

Thanks Bart - please let me know when you are making the
trip. My work load
is ramping up but if I can sneak out for half a day I'd
love to meet you and
do a lunch!
Scout


Hey, I'll come too, if Bart's buying.

Scotty

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Scotty wrote:
"Scout" wrote in message
. ..

Scout, So you were the one that started this
thread? Now I know it is not BS. Do you
keep your boat near there? I'll be driving
down there in a few weeks. Perhaps we
can meet for lunch.

Thanks Bart - please let me know when you are making the

trip. My work load

is ramping up but if I can sneak out for half a day I'd

love to meet you and

do a lunch!
Scout



Hey, I'll come too, if Bart's buying.

Scotty



Warning! Warning! I have first hand knowledge of Scotty's appetite from
a very reliable source! If he comes along make sure you go to one of
those cheapo all you can eat buffet places!

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"katy" wrote in message
...

love to meet you and

do a lunch!
Scout



Hey, I'll come too, if Bart's buying.

Scotty



Warning! Warning! I have first hand knowledge of Scotty's
appetite from
a very reliable source! If he comes along make sure you go
to one of
those cheapo all you can eat buffet places!

yeah, and don't bring any tomatoes!