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"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:47:45 -0700, Joe wrote this crap: Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Don't ask Jon-boy about a "master" anything. I heard that Jon baits a lot. Maybe he's even a master at that? I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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Seahag wrote:
"Scout" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message I didn't realize you reported the incident...by all means vent away! The only thought I have is generally lawyers prefer their clients not to discuss a pending case. Since you had an injury have you talked to your insurance company? Perhaps a letter to Boat US would be in order as well. Thanks Haggie, A bruise is all but it could have been a lot worse. I will see them on the water again and would be happy just to see a change in their MO. That's for sure. Nothing like frying bacon and having some jerk pound your boat all over the place. Seahag We were tied to the cement retaining wall at harbor SPrings one summer day when a drunken jerk ran his runabout into us *O'Day 22)..I was making dinner and pitched forward into the bulkhead an got a concussion....sure are a lot of idiots out there... |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting at people, what do you call it? She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective errosion control. If she killed or injured someone, she would surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake. Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp? Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow down next time" You just advocated it. To each his own.. And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what? Follow through with the proper actions. ... as opposed to the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in the marina? As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his licences. You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are taken. Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ? Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Last I checked, the CG won't do anything unless they witness it; whereas, the harbor master will. If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing. So, what does that get you? Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:45:25 GMT, "Seahag"
wrote this crap: That's for sure. Nothing like frying bacon and having some jerk pound your boat all over the place. And I thought only Jon-boy gayed up all the posts. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting at people, what do you call it? She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective errosion control. If she killed or injured someone, she would surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake. Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp? Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow down next time" You just advocated it. To each his own.. And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what? Follow through with the proper actions. ... as opposed to the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in the marina? As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his licences. You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are taken. Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ? Joe -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Last I checked, the CG won't do anything unless they witness it; whereas, the harbor master will. If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing. So, what does that get you? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess if someone get's squished to death between two boat...unless the CG see it they are not going to investigate. And FYI Title 33 CFR part 173 provides guidance in regards to accident reporting. As a licenced Captain you should know that if someone is injured and needs medical assitance you are required by law to report the incident. Are you sure you passed an exam to get a licences? Joe Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting at people, what do you call it? She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective errosion control. If she killed or injured someone, she would surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake. Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp? Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow down next time" You just advocated it. To each his own.. And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what? Follow through with the proper actions. ... as opposed to the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in the marina? As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his licences. You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are taken. Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ? Joe -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing. That's the second dumbest thing you said BTW. If s/he did that then he or she is an idiot and a liar. Most good skippers admit to the mistakes they make and learn from them. Is a liar & coward the type of Captain you would want running your boat? Or would you rather have one that will stand up like a man and take responsibility for his actions? So, what does that get you? I think the title of the OP by Scout might give you a clue. Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge. No doubt.. Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here. If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay Gaynz.. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting at people, what do you call it? She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective errosion control. If she killed or injured someone, she would surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake. Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp? Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow down next time" You just advocated it. To each his own.. And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what? Follow through with the proper actions. ... as opposed to the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in the marina? As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his licences. You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are taken. Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ? Joe -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Last I checked, the CG won't do anything unless they witness it; whereas, the harbor master will. If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing. So, what does that get you? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess if someone get's squished to death between two boat...unless the CG see it they are not going to investigate. And FYI Title 33 CFR part 173 provides guidance in regards to accident reporting. As a licenced Captain you should know that if someone is injured and needs medical assitance you are required by law to report the incident. Are you sure you passed an exam to get a licences? Joe Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And, what I said was that unless you're able to prove it, they're just going to say they can't do anything. There's a big difference between someone going over the speed limit and someone being injured or property damaged. The harbor master can deal with the former easily and quickly. The CG probably won't do anything. Of course, you can always confront them with Annie if you think that'll help your cause. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com... On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Seahag" wrote in message news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03... "Capt. JG" wrote: "roger" wrote: Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know. Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something. Yup.. you got it right. While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the internet. Seahag I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident. Bull****. Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat. Joe -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - We have no such thing as a Harbor Master. I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch to. I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he injured a crewmember. And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled. These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the Atachaflya river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake on someone. Joe What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master. They handle the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc. The CG would certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or damage due to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your solution is to threaten, but that's not a shocker. -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - I got no problem. Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about? Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything? Cuz the land lord says so? Joe The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You said you were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie." -- "j" ganz -Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun Annie. She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem blasting at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are lucky she uses shot and not slugs. Joe So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them with a gun. Wow, I was so wrong! -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she acted to protect what was hers. I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid. However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is beyond me. Joe Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting at people, what do you call it? She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective errosion control. If she killed or injured someone, she would surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake. Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp? Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow down next time" You just advocated it. To each his own.. And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what? Follow through with the proper actions. ... as opposed to the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in the marina? As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his licences. You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are taken. Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ? Joe -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing. That's the second dumbest thing you said BTW. If s/he did that then he or she is an idiot and a liar. Most good skippers admit to the mistakes they make and learn from them. Is a liar & coward the type of Captain you would want running your boat? Or would you rather have one that will stand up like a man and take responsibility for his actions? So, what does that get you? I think the title of the OP by Scout might give you a clue. Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge. No doubt.. Joe You're starting to rant Joe. You're saying that someone who supposedly broke the law, especially a captain with a license, and knew it, would then admit it? No doubt that they're already doing something illegal, but I suppose someone with truly limited intelligence is going to admit that to a complete stranger. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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oups.com... Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here. If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay Gaynz.. Joe So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Aug 16, 11:55 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here. If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay Gaynz.. Joe So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I presented the facts. Scout said a crew member was injured by a wake. You said smart Captain's will lie. I said they will not You said inform the Harbor Master. I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals. You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they witnessed it. I say they will investagate. You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG. I say he did not. Who's right? Joe |
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ups.com... On Aug 16, 11:55 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here. If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay Gaynz.. Joe So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I presented the facts. No you didn't. Scout said a crew member was injured by a wake. No he didn't. You said smart Captain's will lie. I said they will not This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me that you're right. You said inform the Harbor Master. I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals. I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and efficiently. You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they witnessed it. No I didn't. I say they will investagate. Your opinion. You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG. I say he did not. I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally. Who's right? Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jon and Joe - I want to thank you and others here for giving me some
constructive criticism and sound advice for dealing with this event. I posted my original message without much introduction, which may have been a mistake. I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a long narrative, so I copied and pasted the letter that I sent to the captains of the boat in question. I probably should have edited it and sent it in a discussion format for Dave's sake. Had I done so, perhaps I would not have given him what he apparently feels is justification to lash out with suspicion, ignorance, and insults. I'm not one to make up a story just to stir trouble; the captain of that ship endangered my crew and greatly alarmed us; I felt that no undue hardship would be caused him by the group's discussion of the rights and responsibilities of large, fast moving boats in narrow channels. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the name of the boat, but at the time I wrote that piece I didn't exactly feel that I owed them any courtesies. In addition to that, I am writing in on the heels of Doug, who recently stated that New Jersey boaters appear to be the most obnoxious of all. I felt I could offer both an anecdotal passage in support of his observations, and a request for advice - all with one easy post. I have not heard back from the company and I don't expect that I will unless I push this further. I have written a formal letter of complaint and sent it via USPS to the USCG because I was unsure of what else I could do. I want nothing from this captain other than to make him more aware others near him. I seek no wrath of God (Dave), I want no money, credits, apologies, or compensation of any sort. I just want him to slow down before someone is seriously hurt or killed. Scout |
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On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 16, 11:55 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however. -- "j" ganz -Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here. If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay Gaynz.. Joe So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you. -- "j" ganz -Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I presented the facts. No you didn't. Scout said a crew member was injured by a wake. No he didn't. Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " You said smart Captain's will lie. I said they will not This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me that you're right. Well I guess all the licenced Capt'n you run with are liars and cowards, without any honor..That must suck. Oh well I guess you will fit in nicely. You said inform the Harbor Master. I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals. I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and efficiently. VS doing it yourself... to the proper authorties as defined in the CFR You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they witnessed it. No I didn't. "they're just going to say they can't do anything." I say they will investagate. Your opinion. It's not an opinion. If the USCG fails to investigate then they can be brought up on charges of derilection of duty. You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG. I say he did not. I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally. Ohh so if it's a buddie he's right..if not.. he loses all credibility.. I see where you are coming from. Who's right? Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack. Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws? Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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ups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. You said smart Captain's will lie. I said they will not This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me that you're right. Well I guess all the licenced Capt'n you run with are liars and cowards, without any honor..That must suck. Oh well I guess you will fit in nicely. He's not much of a captain if he's doing something illegal, so what brings you to the conclusion he's going to be honest about this? Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you molested? You said inform the Harbor Master. I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals. I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and efficiently. VS doing it yourself... to the proper authorties as defined in the CFR Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you think threatening him is the right thing to do. You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they witnessed it. No I didn't. "they're just going to say they can't do anything." I say they will investagate. Your opinion. It's not an opinion. If the USCG fails to investigate then they can be brought up on charges of derilection of duty. If there were no injuries, it's a he-said/she-said situation. Their "investigation" will be to tell you to give them some evidence. You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG. I say he did not. I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally. Ohh so if it's a buddie he's right..if not.. he loses all credibility.. I see where you are coming from. No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots? Oh, that must be it. Who's right? Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack. Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws? I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure upon how they're able to communicate. You need work. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Welcome to sailing, Scout.
I think I'd be correct in saying that we've all (except for bobspit who really doesn't sail) been in this same situation, a time or 2. My advice?...carry a gun, a BIG gun. Scotty "Scout" wrote in message . .. Jon and Joe - I want to thank you and others here for giving me some constructive criticism and sound advice for dealing with this event. I posted my original message without much introduction, which may have been a mistake. I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a long narrative, so I copied and pasted the letter that I sent to the captains of the boat in question. I probably should have edited it and sent it in a discussion format for Dave's sake. Had I done so, perhaps I would not have given him what he apparently feels is justification to lash out with suspicion, ignorance, and insults. I'm not one to make up a story just to stir trouble; the captain of that ship endangered my crew and greatly alarmed us; I felt that no undue hardship would be caused him by the group's discussion of the rights and responsibilities of large, fast moving boats in narrow channels. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the name of the boat, but at the time I wrote that piece I didn't exactly feel that I owed them any courtesies. In addition to that, I am writing in on the heels of Doug, who recently stated that New Jersey boaters appear to be the most obnoxious of all. I felt I could offer both an anecdotal passage in support of his observations, and a request for advice - all with one easy post. I have not heard back from the company and I don't expect that I will unless I push this further. I have written a formal letter of complaint and sent it via USPS to the USCG because I was unsure of what else I could do. I want nothing from this captain other than to make him more aware others near him. I seek no wrath of God (Dave), I want no money, credits, apologies, or compensation of any sort. I just want him to slow down before someone is seriously hurt or killed. Scout |
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On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. You said smart Captain's will lie. I said they will not This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me that you're right. Well I guess all the licenced Capt'n you run with are liars and cowards, without any honor..That must suck. Oh well I guess you will fit in nicely. He's not much of a captain if he's doing something illegal, so what brings you to the conclusion he's going to be honest about this? DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. HONOR: Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake. They will not lie. Safety: Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from the Dave's in the World) Either way the operator will not IMO do it again. Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you molested? There was this 29yo airforce Cap's wife, ...but I was 13..does that count? Thanks for the memory jolt. You said inform the Harbor Master. I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals. I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and efficiently. VS doing it yourself... to the proper authorties as defined in the CFR Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you think threatening him is the right thing to do. Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then threaten to follow thru You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they witnessed it. No I didn't. "they're just going to say they can't do anything." I say they will investagate. Your opinion. It's not an opinion. If the USCG fails to investigate then they can be brought up on charges of derilection of duty. If there were no injuries, it's a he-said/she-said situation. Their "investigation" will be to tell you to give them some evidence. We were not talking about no injuries...**** if there are no injuries then it's a chance to surf the boat. You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG. I say he did not. I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally. Ohh so if it's a buddie he's right..if not.. he loses all credibility.. I see where you are coming from. No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots? Oh, that must be it. I listen to everyone. Who's right? Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack. Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws? I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure upon how they're able to communicate. You need work. Indeed, I practice here. Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. Wow... I guess that's why I said should. DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say. HONOR: Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake. They will not lie. I agree. Safety: Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from the Dave's in the World) Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it comes from you. Either way the operator will not IMO do it again. Key phrase... IMO. Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you molested? There was this 29yo airforce Cap's wife, ...but I was 13..does that count? Thanks for the memory jolt. If you forgot, then you do have a serious problem. :-) Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you think threatening him is the right thing to do. Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then threaten to follow thru You said it not me. No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots? Oh, that must be it. I listen to everyone. Apparently. Who's right? Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack. Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws? I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure upon how they're able to communicate. You need work. Indeed, I practice here. Keep practicing. You'll get it eventually. Of course, I'm an optimist. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. Wow... I guess that's why I said should. DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say. Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a newbee...like you. Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything. HONOR: Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake. They will not lie. I agree. Then why did you say he would lie? And that any smart person would denign doing anything wrong? Safety: Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from the Dave's in the World) Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it comes from you. You but you added that the Captain will lie, and the USCG will do nothing. Either way the operator will not IMO do it again. Key phrase... IMO. Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you molested? There was this 29yo airforce Cap's wife, ...but I was 13..does that count? Thanks for the memory jolt. If you forgot, then you do have a serious problem. :-) I did not forget, had I forgotten, I would not have mentioned her.. Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you think threatening him is the right thing to do. Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then threaten to follow thru You said it not me. No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots? Oh, that must be it. I listen to everyone. Apparently. "To listen well, is as powerful a means of influence as to talk well, and is as essential to all true conversation" Who's right? Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack. Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws? I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure upon how they're able to communicate. You need work. Indeed, I practice here. Keep practicing. You'll get it eventually. Of course, I'm an optimist. Will do. Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com... On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. Wow... I guess that's why I said should. DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say. Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a newbee...like you. Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's not good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules. Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything. Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements? HONOR: Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake. They will not lie. I agree. Then why did you say he would lie? And that any smart person would denign doing anything wrong? This guy obviously isn't someone who knows or cares about the rules. Why do you think he would care about lying???? Safety: Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from the Dave's in the World) Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it comes from you. You but you added that the Captain will lie, and the USCG will do nothing. I also said that before I realized that there was an injury, which certainly changes the situation. It's my *opinion* (feel free to type define: opinion into google if you're confused). Either way the operator will not IMO do it again. Key phrase... IMO. Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you molested? Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you think threatening him is the right thing to do. Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then threaten to follow thru You said it not me. No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots? Oh, that must be it. I listen to everyone. Apparently. "To listen well, is as powerful a means of influence as to talk well, and is as essential to all true conversation" Well, there are lots of idiots out there. I try to filter them out. I suggest you do the same. You might feel better. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:34:47 -0400, "Scout" said: I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a long narrative, That kind of story should begin "Once upon a time." Maybe then you'd pay attention. |
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"Scout" wrote:
Jon and Joe - I want to thank you and others here for giving me some constructive criticism and sound advice for dealing with this event. Is that what they were doing? I keep expecting to hear the teacher say "Boys, get up from your desks and go sit in opposite corners." There is some positive info, I guess... the requirement to report accidents, some suggestions about how to deal with dangerous behavior by others... I posted my original message without much introduction, which may have been a mistake. I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a long narrative, so I copied and pasted the letter that I sent to the captains of the boat in question. Did the job for me. ..... I'm not one to make up a story just to stir trouble; the captain of that ship endangered my crew and greatly alarmed us; I felt that no undue hardship would be caused him by the group's discussion of the rights and responsibilities of large, fast moving boats in narrow channels. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the name of the boat, but at the time I wrote that piece I didn't exactly feel that I owed them any courtesies. Agreed again. In fact, I think that people who behave in such a way *should* expect the public to bandy their names around. I have not heard back from the company and I don't expect that I will unless I push this further. I have written a formal letter of complaint and sent it via USPS to the USCG because I was unsure of what else I could do. In my experience, a video camera does a LOT to enforce reasonable behavior in others. Your letter is a great idea, but it might be more effective if you sent it to one of the directors of the finance company that actually owns that boat.... would take some digging around to find out who that is. If they are aware that they might be liable, and will have their names dragged thru the mud, they might tell the captain to shape up.... or just let him go. Lots of captains on the beach, looking for jobs. Frankly, I think a lot of power boaters are inconsiderate & impatient fools, and that's why they wake other boats. A large number (probably a minority) do in fact know that their wakes are very unpleasant and potentially dangerous, but either don't care ("I'm in a hurry!") or think it's funny. I've had a few power boaters that I spoke to, after wake incidents, tell me that it would be *my* fault for not having a boat that was "seaworthy enough." Some places are very serious about enforcement. For example, on the upper Hudson, local police boats will ticket wakers. In some of the canal & river systems, a radio complaint to the next bridge or lock will cause the bridge and/or lock keeper to hold up that boat; you can meet him & the sheriff and tell them exactly what happened. In a case like this, a videotape of the incident would be a perfect indictment. I want nothing from this captain other than to make him more aware others near him. I seek no wrath of God (Dave), I want no money, credits, apologies, or compensation of any sort. I just want him to slow down before someone is seriously hurt or killed. Oh c'mon, you wouldn't turn down money.... or an apology... would ya? ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Aug 16, 10:58 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. Wow... I guess that's why I said should. DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say. Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a newbee...like you. Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's not good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules. Where in the rules does it say you can not throw a wake on anyone? Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything. Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements? Again, your licences is a licences to learn. Jon, I trained many many new skippers on 100 ton boats..In the oil field you would work under another master until he OK'ed it with the company to turn you loose with a 10 millin dollar + boat. With what you said above it would be a long long time and several humbeling events before I would turn you loose with a boat and crew. You remind me of one fellow I called Capt Crunch. We were running in to SW pass of the Missippi and he grounded my boat on a sand bar..120 footer. Threw me out of the bunk. He came in at a right angle of the pass ...way of course. I got up, took me about an hour to dig the boat off the bar and get it back on course...then the ****ball has the guall to complain that he should have been allowed to dig the boat off after the MF was standing there shivering not knowing what to do. I never allowed him to take the wheel except in open water again.. Thank God... He quit. Like you he thought because he had a licences that he knew everything needed to run a boat. HONOR: Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake. They will not lie. I agree. Then why did you say he would lie? And that any smart person would denign doing anything wrong? This guy obviously isn't someone who knows or cares about the rules. Why do you think he would care about lying???? Again show me where in the rules it says you can not produce a wake. Safety: Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from the Dave's in the World) Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it comes from you. You but you added that the Captain will lie, and the USCG will do nothing. I also said that before I realized that there was an injury, which certainly changes the situation. It's my *opinion* (feel free to type define: opinion into google if you're confused). Either way the operator will not IMO do it again. Key phrase... IMO. Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you molested? Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you think threatening him is the right thing to do. Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then threaten to follow thru You said it not me. No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots? Oh, that must be it. I listen to everyone. Apparently. "To listen well, is as powerful a means of influence as to talk well, and is as essential to all true conversation" Well, there are lots of idiots out there. I try to filter them out. I suggest you do the same. You might feel better. Einsteins math teachers thought he was an idiot too...After I listen to someone then I filter them out if they have nothing to offer. You should try it, you might be better off for it. When I got my first ticket I thought just like you... until someone clearly showed me the error of my ways.. He was a true Master Mariner, worked his way up from a deckhand to become the president of the largest offshore supply vessel company in the USA, with over 120- 220+ ft boats under his command in less than 5 years. Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Joe" wrote in message ps.com... Einsteins math teachers thought he was an idiot too...After I listen to someone then I filter them out if they have nothing to offer. You should try it, you might be better off for it. Are you suggesting he filter himself out? Hmmmmm, not a bad suggestion. Wilbur Hubbard |
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... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:34:47 -0400, "Scout" said: I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a long narrative, That kind of story should begin "Once upon a time." Maybe then you'd pay attention. Dave only pays attention when he hears the sound of an ambulance! :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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ps.com... On Aug 16, 10:58 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. Wow... I guess that's why I said should. DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say. Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a newbee...like you. Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's not good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules. Where in the rules does it say you can not throw a wake on anyone? So, you think it's ok then? Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything. Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements? Again, your licences is a licences to learn. What? No way. You get a license, you're legally responsible. End of story. If you learn more, that's great, but it has nothing to do with your current license. Jon, I trained many many new skippers on 100 ton boats..In the oil field you would work under another master until he OK'ed it with the company to turn you loose with a 10 millin dollar + boat. With what you said above it would be a long long time and several humbeling events before I would turn you loose with a boat and crew. Different situation. No one would just hand over a 100 ton boat to a novice, but the *license* has nothing to say about that. You're qualified, as far as the CG is concerned. You remind me of one fellow I called Capt Crunch. We were running in to SW pass of the Missippi and he grounded my boat on a sand bar..120 footer. Threw me out of the bunk. He came in at a right angle of the pass ...way of course. I got up, took me about an hour to dig the boat off the bar and get it back on course...then the ****ball has the guall to complain that he should have been allowed to dig the boat off after the MF was standing there shivering not knowing what to do. I never allowed him to take the wheel except in open water again.. Thank God... He quit. Sounds like you made the mistake of handing him the keys. How this reminds you of me, I have no idea unless he was very, very good looking. Like you he thought because he had a licences that he knew everything needed to run a boat. Never said that. Now you're just making things up. This guy obviously isn't someone who knows or cares about the rules. Why do you think he would care about lying???? Again show me where in the rules it says you can not produce a wake. Again, if you don't know, I think you need to go back to school. Is your license still valid? Well, there are lots of idiots out there. I try to filter them out. I suggest you do the same. You might feel better. Einsteins math teachers thought he was an idiot too...After I listen to someone then I filter them out if they have nothing to offer. You should try it, you might be better off for it. Actually, that's not accurate about Einstein, but whatever. How long do you have to listen? Perhaps you should take a remedial course in listening skills. When I got my first ticket I thought just like you... until someone clearly showed me the error of my ways.. He was a true Master Mariner, worked his way up from a deckhand to become the president of the largest offshore supply vessel company in the USA, with over 120- 220+ ft boats under his command in less than 5 years. Joe I sincerely doubt you "thought just like" me. Learning about a boat has nothing to do with knowing the rules. Two completely different things, except in your mind of course, but don't worry, you'll have to listen for a bit longer I suspect, before you understand. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Aug 17, 11:59 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 16, 10:58 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. Wow... I guess that's why I said should. DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say. Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a newbee...like you. Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's not good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules. Where in the rules does it say you can not throw a wake on anyone? So, you think it's ok then? Sure it's OK to throw a wake..but you need to know when it's OK. Some newbees do not understand when it's OK and when it not OK. Many new Skippers do not have a clue. They are the ones running junk like the boat Scout reported. Lets take you for instance..You have a 50GT with a towing endorsement. Just how many 50 ton tugboats or crewboats have you handled? If you landed a job would you know everything needed to be the Captain of the boat? Would you be a newbee? Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything. Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements? Again, your licences is a licences to learn. What? No way. You get a license, you're legally responsible. End of story. If you learn more, that's great, but it has nothing to do with your current license. yeah right it has nothing to do with the licences, it has to do with being a Captain of a boat. Jon, I trained many many new skippers on 100 ton boats..In the oil field you would work under another master until he OK'ed it with the company to turn you loose with a 10 millin dollar + boat. With what you said above it would be a long long time and several humbeling events before I would turn you loose with a boat and crew. Different situation. No one would just hand over a 100 ton boat to a novice, but the *license* has nothing to say about that. You're qualified, as far as the CG is concerned. Indeed.. It's a license to learn. You are still a newbee if you take on a vessel than uses the total tonnage available. Now if your going to get a license to just hang on the wall and keep sailing little boats that you have been on all your life, and never advance..... then by all means your are qualified and not a newbee. You remind me of one fellow I called Capt Crunch. We were running in to SW pass of the Missippi and he grounded my boat on a sand bar..120 footer. Threw me out of the bunk. He came in at a right angle of the pass ...way of course. I got up, took me about an hour to dig the boat off the bar and get it back on course...then the ****ball has the guall to complain that he should have been allowed to dig the boat off after the MF was standing there shivering not knowing what to do. I never allowed him to take the wheel except in open water again.. Thank God... He quit. Sounds like you made the mistake of handing him the keys. How this reminds you of me, I have no idea unless he was very, very good looking. He thought he had all the skills needed. He was new as second Capt. The reason 100 ton crewboats have two licenced skippers is they are underway more than 12 hours per day. I had a long trip out, and very long cold wet offload, the boat has outside stern controls. I told him to wake me at the sea bouy. he was heading straight for it, and the sand bars that run for several miles before the rock line jettie. He got off course by about 6 miles, then when he saw the seabouy he headed straight for it like a blind fool. Like you he thought because he had a licences that he knew everything needed to run a boat. Never said that. Now you're just making things up. Let's review Jon...focus now. " A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say." Joe |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:52:41 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Dave only pays attention when he hears the sound of an ambulance! :-) Sounds like you know even less about the range of what lawyers do than Wilbur. I know all about what lawyers do. They hoodwink people into thinking they actually ARE worth 500-1000 dollars an hour. Sad, because I've now been to court three times in as many years and I've represented myself each and every time. I've been acquitted each and every time. The last time the poor judge resorted to saying, "OK, Mr. Hubbard, you did your homework. I'm going to have to acquit." "Have to?" Did you get that? In other words, the judge as much as admitted that he didn't want to acquit and had already decided I was guilty because the cop said so but I was so prepared and presented the law so convincingly that he had no other choice. So much for the actual worth of lawyers. Anybody with half a brain can be a successful lawyer. John Kerry is proof of that. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:03:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: I know all about what lawyers do. Sure ya do, Wilbur. Next time I hear from somebody in FL who has to file a Form 10 or Schedule 13D I'll send him to you. Bwaahahahahahahahhahaha. So you're an income tax lawyer. Say it isn't so. How can you live with yourself? Don't you ever yearn for a real job Wilbur Hubbard |
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... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:52:41 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Dave only pays attention when he hears the sound of an ambulance! :-) Sounds like you know even less about the range of what lawyers do than Wilbur. Much less!! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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ups.com... On Aug 17, 11:59 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 16, 10:58 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon. "Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. " My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified. Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it would be required by law. Wow... I guess that's why I said should. DUTY: Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft. A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say. Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a newbee...like you. Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's not good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules. Where in the rules does it say you can not throw a wake on anyone? So, you think it's ok then? Sure it's OK to throw a wake..but you need to know when it's OK. Some newbees do not understand when it's OK and when it not OK. Many new Skippers do not have a clue. They are the ones running junk like the boat Scout reported. Lets take you for instance..You have a 50GT with a towing endorsement. Just how many 50 ton tugboats or crewboats have you handled? If you landed a job would you know everything needed to be the Captain of the boat? Would you be a newbee? Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything. Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements? Again, your licences is a licences to learn. What? No way. You get a license, you're legally responsible. End of story. If you learn more, that's great, but it has nothing to do with your current license. yeah right it has nothing to do with the licences, it has to do with being a Captain of a boat. Jon, I trained many many new skippers on 100 ton boats..In the oil field you would work under another master until he OK'ed it with the company to turn you loose with a 10 millin dollar + boat. With what you said above it would be a long long time and several humbeling events before I would turn you loose with a boat and crew. Different situation. No one would just hand over a 100 ton boat to a novice, but the *license* has nothing to say about that. You're qualified, as far as the CG is concerned. Indeed.. It's a license to learn. You are still a newbee if you take on a vessel than uses the total tonnage available. Now if your going to get a license to just hang on the wall and keep sailing little boats that you have been on all your life, and never advance..... then by all means your are qualified and not a newbee. You remind me of one fellow I called Capt Crunch. We were running in to SW pass of the Missippi and he grounded my boat on a sand bar..120 footer. Threw me out of the bunk. He came in at a right angle of the pass ...way of course. I got up, took me about an hour to dig the boat off the bar and get it back on course...then the ****ball has the guall to complain that he should have been allowed to dig the boat off after the MF was standing there shivering not knowing what to do. I never allowed him to take the wheel except in open water again.. Thank God... He quit. Sounds like you made the mistake of handing him the keys. How this reminds you of me, I have no idea unless he was very, very good looking. He thought he had all the skills needed. He was new as second Capt. The reason 100 ton crewboats have two licenced skippers is they are underway more than 12 hours per day. I had a long trip out, and very long cold wet offload, the boat has outside stern controls. I told him to wake me at the sea bouy. he was heading straight for it, and the sand bars that run for several miles before the rock line jettie. He got off course by about 6 miles, then when he saw the seabouy he headed straight for it like a blind fool. Like you he thought because he had a licences that he knew everything needed to run a boat. Never said that. Now you're just making things up. Let's review Jon...focus now. " A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say." Joe Well, you certainly destroyed my arguments. I hope you feel good about yourself! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:01 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: Form 10 or Schedule 13D I'll send him to you. Bwaahahahahahahahhahaha. So you're an income tax lawyer. Say it isn't so. How can you live with yourself? Don't you ever yearn for a real job LOL. You better learn to Goggle a bit better, Wilbur, since you don't even know what agency those forms would be filed with. Hint: they aren't tax forms. So, it's stock market crap. Corporation loophole paperwork. Not much difference from income tax forms. Very boring work at best. Make you insane at worst. Now I understand you better. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:03:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: I know all about what lawyers do. Sure ya do, Wilbur. Next time I hear from somebody in FL who has to file a Form 10 or Schedule 13D I'll send him to you. Apparently you believe: people = guilty until proven innocent injured and innocent party seeking justice = clown discussion in a newsgroup = calling for the wrath of God you are unable to empathize No offense Dave but you'd be a poor choice for anyone needing legal help. Seems to me that you are the epitome of an American lawyer: cold, selfish, insensitive, self-righteous. |
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Going sailing this w/e? Looks like a good one.
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... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:20:16 -0400, "Scout" said: you are unable to empathize No offense Dave but you'd be a poor choice for anyone needing legal help. Seems to me that you are the epitome of an American lawyer: cold, selfish, insensitive, self-righteous. No offense, Scout, but you're an ass. Yeah, well I guess it takes one to know one. And by the way, you're the ass who decided to pass judgment without any knowledge whatsoever. You must really suck as a lawyer. |
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. .. Going sailing this w/e? Looks like a good one. Scotty I'm leaving Friday night if all goes well; we'll stay out on the Bay until Sunday noon then head back. You're right, it should be a great weekend. The horseflies are really bad this year though, how are they on the Chessy? |
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Dave wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:37:16 -0400, "Scout" said: Yeah, well I guess it takes one to know one. Ah, such freshness. Such originality! Lordy, both of you go stand in the corner... |
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... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:37:16 -0400, "Scout" said: Yeah, well I guess it takes one to know one. Ah, such freshness. Such originality! haha, like this? "you're an ass" brilliant! |
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On Aug 13, 5:03 am, wrote:
To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven: I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and Cape May for 5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act as I saw on the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the galley. With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way South on a beam reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across the channel (i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down on us at such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get out of the channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake, which had I allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a more severe injury to my crew. I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy for the small boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your size is morally obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but you did not in any way show consideration for the safety of my family and crew. I must now take action, and will make it a point to watch and video tape you. I will also report this and any further safety incidents to the U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage in the wake of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your incompetence far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey. Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace to his title and his license.http://www.missbeachhaven.com/ B.J. Law Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who would hurt or jeopardize the safety of others. I wrote him a note saying he should not be in business. |
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