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Scotty August 15th 07 09:49 PM

Duty, Honor, Safety
 
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To the 8/12/07 Captain of the Miss Beach Haven:

I've sailed and motored the waters between Sandy Hook and

Cape May for
5 decades and I've rarely seen such an inconsiderate act

as I saw on
the morning of Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach

Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed

through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water

so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell

in the
galley.

With a decent Westerly breeze, we were making good way

South on a beam
reach, and were flowing with traffic, not tacking across

the channel
(i.e., I was not in your way). When I saw you bearing down

on us at
such a high speed, I was forced to fire up my engine, get

out of the
channel, and circle around to meet your enormous wake,

which had I
allowed it to broadside us, could have easily caused a

more severe
injury to my crew.

I will not forget your ignorance or your lack of empathy

for the small
boater in a narrow channel. The captain of a ship your

size is morally
obligated to consider the safety of those around you, but

you did not
in any way show consideration for the safety of my family

and crew. I
must now take action, and will make it a point to watch

and video tape
you. I will also report this and any further safety

incidents to the
U.S. Coastguard. You leave a trail of enemies and damage

in the wake
of your carelessness, and I will spread the word of your

incompetence
far and wide around LBI and Southern New Jersey.

Whoever captained Miss Beach Haven that day is a disgrace

to his title
and his license.
http://www.missbeachhaven.com/

B.J. Law
Captain, Sailor, and not one who soon forgets those who

would hurt or
jeopardize the safety of others.




Captain Crunch August 15th 07 10:10 PM

Duty, Honor, Safety
 

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:47:45 -0700, Joe
wrote this crap:

Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything?
Cuz the land lord says so?


Don't ask Jon-boy about a "master" anything.


I heard that Jon baits a lot. Maybe he's even a master at that?





I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.




katy August 15th 07 10:23 PM

Duty, Honor, Safety
 
Seahag wrote:
"Scout" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in message

I didn't realize you reported the incident...by all means
vent away! The only thought I have is generally lawyers
prefer their clients not to discuss a pending case.
Since you had an injury have you talked to your insurance
company? Perhaps a letter to Boat US would be in order as
well.


Thanks Haggie,
A bruise is all but it could have been a lot worse.
I will see them on the water again and would be happy just
to see a change in their MO.



That's for sure. Nothing like frying bacon and having some
jerk pound your boat all over the place.

Seahag


We were tied to the cement retaining wall at harbor SPrings one summer
day when a drunken jerk ran his runabout into us *O'Day 22)..I was
making dinner and pitched forward into the bulkhead an got a
concussion....sure are a lot of idiots out there...

Capt. JG August 16th 07 01:42 AM

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"Joe" wrote in message
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wrote:
"Seahag" wrote in message


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"Capt. JG" wrote:
"roger" wrote:
Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I
thought
that
you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know.
Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or
something.


Yup.. you got it right.


While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have
reported
it
to
the
proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all
over
the
internet.


Seahag


I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident.


Bull****.


Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not
laugh
his
ass
off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the
Harbor
master
would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple
of
grand
a
mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat.


Joe


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"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


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Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very
protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters.
Most
of
the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they
would
prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did
nothing,
they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at,
however.


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


We have no such thing as a Harbor Master.


I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch
to.
I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he
injured a
crewmember.
And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled.


These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the
Atachaflya
river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake
on
someone.


Joe


What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master.
They
handle
the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc.
The
CG
would
certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or
damage
due
to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your
solution
is
to
threaten, but that's not a shocker.


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"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext -


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I got no problem.


Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about?


Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything?
Cuz the land lord says so?


Joe


The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You
said
you
were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie."


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No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun
Annie.
She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya
river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem
blasting
at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her
and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and
have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are
lucky she uses shot and not slugs.


Joe


So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them
with a
gun. Wow, I was so wrong!


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"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -


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No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she
acted to protect what was hers.


I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid.


However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why
you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is
beyond me.


Joe


Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting
at
people, what do you call it?


She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective
errosion control.


If she killed or injured someone, she would
surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake.


Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp?
Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point
where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow
down next time"

You just
advocated it.

To each his own..

And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what?


Follow through with the proper actions.

... as opposed to
the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in
the
marina?


As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his
licences.

You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd
rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my
crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are
taken.

Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ?

Joe


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Last I checked, the CG won't do anything unless they witness it; whereas,
the harbor master will. If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing.
So, what does that get you?

Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Horvath August 16th 07 12:08 PM

Duty, Honor, Safety
 
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:45:25 GMT, "Seahag"
wrote this crap:

That's for sure. Nothing like frying bacon and having some
jerk pound your boat all over the place.



And I thought only Jon-boy gayed up all the posts.





I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

Joe August 16th 07 03:09 PM

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On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG"
wrote:
"Seahag" wrote in message


news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03...


"Capt. JG" wrote:
"roger" wrote:
Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I
thought
that
you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know.
Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or
something.


Yup.. you got it right.


While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have
reported
it
to
the
proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all
over
the
internet.


Seahag


I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident.


Bull****.


Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not
laugh
his
ass
off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the
Harbor
master
would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple
of
grand
a
mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat.


Joe


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very
protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters.
Most
of
the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they
would
prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did
nothing,
they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at,
however.


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


We have no such thing as a Harbor Master.


I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch
to.
I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he
injured a
crewmember.
And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled.


These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the
Atachaflya
river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake
on
someone.


Joe


What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master.
They
handle
the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc.
The
CG
would
certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or
damage
due
to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your
solution
is
to
threaten, but that's not a shocker.


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


I got no problem.


Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about?


Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything?
Cuz the land lord says so?


Joe


The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You
said
you
were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie."


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext -


- Show quoted text -


No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun
Annie.
She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya
river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem
blasting
at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her
and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and
have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are
lucky she uses shot and not slugs.


Joe


So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them
with a
gun. Wow, I was so wrong!


--
"j" ganz -Hidequoted text -


- Show quoted text -


No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she
acted to protect what was hers.


I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid.


However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why
you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is
beyond me.


Joe


Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting
at
people, what do you call it?


She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective
errosion control.


If she killed or injured someone, she would
surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake.


Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp?
Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point
where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow
down next time"


You just
advocated it.


To each his own..


And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what?


Follow through with the proper actions.


... as opposed to
the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in
the
marina?


As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his
licences.


You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd
rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my
crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are
taken.


Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ?


Joe


--
"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Last I checked, the CG won't do anything unless they witness it; whereas,
the harbor master will. If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing.
So, what does that get you?


That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess if someone get's
squished to death between two boat...unless the CG see it they are not
going to investigate.

And FYI Title 33 CFR part 173 provides guidance in regards to
accident reporting.

As a licenced Captain you should know that if someone is injured and
needs medical assitance you are required by law to report the
incident.

Are you sure you passed an exam to get a licences?

Joe




Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge.

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Joe August 16th 07 03:29 PM

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On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG"
wrote:
"Seahag" wrote in message


news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03...


"Capt. JG" wrote:
"roger" wrote:
Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I
thought
that
you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know.
Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or
something.


Yup.. you got it right.


While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have
reported
it
to
the
proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all
over
the
internet.


Seahag


I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident.


Bull****.


Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not
laugh
his
ass
off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the
Harbor
master
would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple
of
grand
a
mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat.


Joe


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very
protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters.
Most
of
the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they
would
prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did
nothing,
they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at,
however.


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


We have no such thing as a Harbor Master.


I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to snitch
to.
I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he
injured a
crewmember.
And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled.


These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the
Atachaflya
river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a wake
on
someone.


Joe


What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor master.
They
handle
the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks, etc.
The
CG
would
certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury or
damage
due
to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your
solution
is
to
threaten, but that's not a shocker.


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


I got no problem.


Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about?


Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything?
Cuz the land lord says so?


Joe


The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel. You
said
you
were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie."


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext -


- Show quoted text -


No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun
Annie.
She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya
river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem
blasting
at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows her
and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows, and
have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People are
lucky she uses shot and not slugs.


Joe


So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten them
with a
gun. Wow, I was so wrong!


--
"j" ganz -Hidequoted text -


- Show quoted text -


No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she
acted to protect what was hers.


I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid.


However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why
you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy , is
beyond me.


Joe


Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been shooting
at
people, what do you call it?


She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective
errosion control.


If she killed or injured someone, she would
surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake.


Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp?
Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point
where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow
down next time"


You just
advocated it.


To each his own..


And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what?


Follow through with the proper actions.


... as opposed to
the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business in
the
marina?


As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his
licences.


You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd
rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my
crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are
taken.


Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ?


Joe


--
"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -


If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing.


That's the second dumbest thing you said BTW.

If s/he did that then he or she is an idiot and a liar.
Most good skippers admit to the mistakes they make and learn from
them.

Is a liar & coward the type of Captain you would want running your
boat?

Or would you rather have one that will stand up like a man and take
responsibility for his actions?

So, what does that get you?

I think the title of the OP by Scout might give you a clue.

Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge.

No doubt..

Joe


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Joe August 16th 07 03:47 PM

Duty, Honor, Safety
 
On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Seahag" wrote in message


news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03...


"Capt. JG" wrote:
"roger" wrote:
Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I thought that you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't know.
Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or something.


Yup.. you got it right.


While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have reported it to the
proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat all over the
internet.


Seahag


I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident.


Bull****.


Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not laugh his ass
off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the Harbor master
would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a couple of grand a
mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat.


Joe


--
"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however.

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here.

If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront
the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking
complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay
Gaynz..

Joe


Capt. JG August 16th 07 05:52 PM

Duty, Honor, Safety
 
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Aug 15, 1:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 15, 11:49 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 15, 12:27 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 14, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


roups.com...


On Aug 13, 7:51 pm, "Capt. JG"
wrote:
"Seahag" wrote in message


news:Zj5wi.2466$tU4.930@trndny03...


"Capt. JG" wrote:
"roger" wrote:
Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I
thought
that
you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't
know.
Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or
something.


Yup.. you got it right.


While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have
reported
it
to
the
proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat
all
over
the
internet.


Seahag


I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident.


Bull****.


Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not
laugh
his
ass
off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the
Harbor
master
would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a
couple
of
grand
a
mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat.


Joe


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are
very
protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or
pleasure-boaters.
Most
of
the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they
would
prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did
nothing,
they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed
at,
however.


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


We have no such thing as a Harbor Master.


I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to
snitch
to.
I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he
injured a
crewmember.
And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled.


These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the
Atachaflya
river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a
wake
on
someone.


Joe


What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor
master.
They
handle
the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks,
etc.
The
CG
would
certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury
or
damage
due
to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your
solution
is
to
threaten, but that's not a shocker.


--
"j" ganz -Hidequotedtext-


- Show quoted text -


I got no problem.


Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about?


Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything?
Cuz the land lord says so?


Joe


The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel.
You
said
you
were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie."


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No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun
Annie.
She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya
river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem
blasting
at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows
her
and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows,
and
have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People
are
lucky she uses shot and not slugs.


Joe


So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten
them
with a
gun. Wow, I was so wrong!


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No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she
acted to protect what was hers.


I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid.


However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why
you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy ,
is
beyond me.


Joe


Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been
shooting
at
people, what do you call it?


She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective
errosion control.


If she killed or injured someone, she would
surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake.


Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp?
Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point
where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow
down next time"


You just
advocated it.


To each his own..


And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what?


Follow through with the proper actions.


... as opposed to
the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business
in
the
marina?


As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his
licences.


You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd
rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my
crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are
taken.


Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ?


Joe


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Last I checked, the CG won't do anything unless they witness it; whereas,
the harbor master will. If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to
nothing.
So, what does that get you?


That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess if someone get's
squished to death between two boat...unless the CG see it they are not
going to investigate.

And FYI Title 33 CFR part 173 provides guidance in regards to
accident reporting.

As a licenced Captain you should know that if someone is injured and
needs medical assitance you are required by law to report the
incident.

Are you sure you passed an exam to get a licences?

Joe




Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge.

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And, what I said was that unless you're able to prove it, they're just going
to say they can't do anything. There's a big difference between someone
going over the speed limit and someone being injured or property damaged.
The harbor master can deal with the former easily and quickly. The CG
probably won't do anything. Of course, you can always confront them with
Annie if you think that'll help your cause.

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"Capt. JG" wrote:
"roger" wrote:
Isn't everyone legally liable for their wake? I
thought
that
you
could sue if you suffered an injury but I don't
know.
Who knows, maybe there was a medical emergency or
something.


Yup.. you got it right.


While I feel for the guy, seems like he should have
reported
it
to
the
proper authorities instead of bad-mouthing the boat
all
over
the
internet.


Seahag


I agree... it kinda diminishes the incident.


Bull****.


Beats calling the Harbor Master and hoping he does not
laugh
his
ass
off as you stomp out of the office.. Gee I wonder if the
Harbor
master
would rather have a crewboat in his marina paying a
couple
of
grand
a
mo. or some boo hooin putz on a small sailboat.


Joe


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Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are
very
protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or
pleasure-boaters.
Most
of
the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they
would
prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did
nothing,
they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed
at,
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We have no such thing as a Harbor Master.


I do not need a parking lot cop type Harbor master to
snitch
to.
I'd find the boat and deal with the skipper directly if he
injured a
crewmember.
And deal directly with the USCG to get his ticket pulled.


These kind of people need to meet shotgun Annie on the
Atachaflya
river. It would be the last time they felt like wipping a
wake
on
someone.


Joe


What is your problem? Every marina out here has a harbor
master.
They
handle
the issues of the marina, rent slips, run the fuel docks,
etc.
The
CG
would
certainly be the appropriate authority to investigate injury
or
damage
due
to wakes. The master would likely ignore you. Of course, your
solution
is
to
threaten, but that's not a shocker.


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I got no problem.


Threaten who? Wtf are you talking about?


Just what makes a harbor master a "Master" of anything?
Cuz the land lord says so?


Joe


The master I was talking about was the skipper of the vessel.
You
said
you
were going to introduce the skipper to "shotgun Annie."


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No bone head, I said these type of people need to meet Shotgun
Annie.
She an old lady that lives on the banks of the Atchayflaya
river..Anyone whips a wake on her property she has no problem
blasting
at them with a shotgun. Everyone who has worked the river knows
her
and respects her. I've seen several boats with cracked windows,
and
have been on supply boats that have been peppered by her. People
are
lucky she uses shot and not slugs.


Joe


So, what you're saying is that someone else is going to threaten
them
with a
gun. Wow, I was so wrong!


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"j" ganz -Hidequoted text -


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No dunder head.... Annie did not threaten anyone with anything, she
acted to protect what was hers.


I'd never threaten anyone with a gun...that's just plain stupid.


However I would find the boat and deal with the issue in person. Why
you would feel the need to involve a glorified landlords yes boy ,
is
beyond me.


Joe


Threatening someone with a gun isn't the answer. If she's been
shooting
at
people, what do you call it?


She's been shooting at boats since the 1940's. I call it effective
errosion control.


If she killed or injured someone, she would
surely go to jail, even if they did have a bothersome wake.


Ya think so Jonboy? Have you ever been in the Atchafalaya swamp?
Don't you think she has been reported a 100+ times...to the point
where the local yocals say something like " tough ****...better slow
down next time"


You just
advocated it.


To each his own..


And, when the skipper tells you to drop dead, then what?


Follow through with the proper actions.


... as opposed to
the person who actually controls whether or not they can do business
in
the
marina?


As opposed to the person who can arrest them, and take away his
licences.


You assume I would go in Shotguns a blazing Jon. Not so..but I'd
rather adress the issue face to face with the Captain who injured my
crew..vs leaving my duties to others to make sure proper actions are
taken.


Harbor Master...bwahahahahaa does he wear a special uniform ?


Joe


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If the skipper is smart, s/he will admit to nothing.


That's the second dumbest thing you said BTW.

If s/he did that then he or she is an idiot and a liar.
Most good skippers admit to the mistakes they make and learn from
them.

Is a liar & coward the type of Captain you would want running your
boat?

Or would you rather have one that will stand up like a man and take
responsibility for his actions?

So, what does that get you?

I think the title of the OP by Scout might give you a clue.

Ours doesn't need a uniform to be in charge.

No doubt..

Joe



You're starting to rant Joe. You're saying that someone who supposedly broke
the law, especially a captain with a license, and knew it, would then admit
it? No doubt that they're already doing something illegal, but I suppose
someone with truly limited intelligence is going to admit that to a complete
stranger.

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