Jeff wrote:

"Point of sail is irrelevant. "




Good night, Jeff!!!! You're TRULY a sad little man! Now tell us....is
my boat going to windward? Upwind? Or downwind in this 3rd clip???

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CeJAK6Esq0A


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Jeff wrote:

"Point of sail is irrelevant. "

Good night, Jeff!!!! You're TRULY a sad little man! Now tell us....is
my boat going to windward? Upwind? Or downwind in this 3rd clip???

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CeJAK6Esq0A

Its hard to tell from that clip. Hopefully, you're not beating to
windward, though given your lack of understanding its not clear you
know what that means. However, one can't tell for sure where the wind
is or whether the sails are trimmed correctly, etc. And, while it
would appear that the sails are trimmed for a close reach according to
the apparent wind, one can't tell, without knowing the real
characteristics of your boat, if you're actually on a beam reach to
the true wind, or even going downwind. Too many unknowns.

But again, this is all irrelevant. One doesn't have to see a picture
to know that its very unlikely that any 35s5 attained a VMG to
windward of 6 knots. Especially with older sails and without a race
crew. The best you could hope for in any conditions is probably
closer to 5 knots. If fact, that the essence of the whole discussion:
the VMG to windward of your boat simply never gets up to 6 knots.
That's why the point of sail is irrelevant!

But again, this is all irrelevant. One doesn't have to see a picture
to know that its very unlikely that any 35s5 attained a VMG to
windward of 6 knots.



Ahhh. So NOW we're at "very unlikely." Progress, folks.
She's on a close reach. The main is spilling some air and needs to be
trimmed, but the boat is balancing okay and making excellent speed.
Moments later, Bob did trim the main.

And as usual, Jeff....while the rest of you tell bullcrap stories and
cry & bemoan that I sail so much more than you...I can also back up
even THAT trivial detail...as you see the main trimmed....

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/bobweby.jpg

Lordy, you MUST BE DYING!!!! Jeff, you've been decked, cleaned, fried
and served in a savory butter sauce. I truly appreciate the
entertainment you've given me!
G'night!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
But again, this is all irrelevant. One doesn't have to see a picture
to know that its very unlikely that any 35s5 attained a VMG to
windward of 6 knots.



Ahhh. So NOW we're at "very unlikely." Progress, folks.
She's on a close reach. The main is spilling some air and needs to be
trimmed, but the boat is balancing okay and making excellent speed.
Moments later, Bob did trim the main.

So now you're claiming that you had a VMG to Windward of 6 knots while
you were on a close reach and spilling wind? And you don't realize
how stupid that sounds? What a Putz!

So now you're claiming that you had a VMG to Windward of 6 knots while
you were on a close reach and spilling wind? And you don't realize
how stupid that sounds? What a Putz!


Nope. You're soooo old and comfused! They are two different clips. In
this clip we're making 7.4 knots on a reach...sort of a close reach if
you like...hit 8 knots a few times. I have no idea what the VMG was at
that time. The clip in question is sailing closer to the wind and
that's the one that has you wringing out your Depends.
Jeepers...you are one TRULY confused guy! Are you on meds?



RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
So now you're claiming that you had a VMG to Windward of 6 knots while
you were on a close reach and spilling wind? And you don't realize
how stupid that sounds? What a Putz!


Nope. You're soooo old and comfused! They are two different clips. In
this clip we're making 7.4 knots on a reach...sort of a close reach if
you like...hit 8 knots a few times. I have no idea what the VMG was at
that time. The clip in question is sailing closer to the wind and
that's the one that has you wringing out your Depends.
Jeepers...you are one TRULY confused guy! Are you on meds?


So are you still claiming that on any of your clips the "VMG to
Windward" was 6 knots? Remember, your polar says you can't do it.
The French review that you quote says you can't do it. You admitted
that when your friend told you the VMG he was referring not "to
windward" but to a mark 10 degrees off your bow.

All you're left with is the realization that in fact you didn't
understand the meaning of the term "VMG to Windward" when you used it.
In other words, any claim you have to understanding sailboat
performance is bogus. Be we all knew that already.

"Capt" Rob wrote:
... we're making 7.4 knots on a reach...sort of a close reach if
you like...hit 8 knots a few times.

Yawn.

Get back to us when you do spinnaker reaches over 20.


... I have no idea what the VMG was...

Of course not.

DSK

"Swab Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

...hit 8 knots a few times. I have no idea what VMG is

yes, that's apparent.