Capt. Rob wrote:
You're claiming now that whenever you say "upwind" you might mean
"ever so slightly higher than a beam reach" and when you say


No, Jeff. Never said. All I'm saying is that you've made an arse of
yourself after I simply stated VMG upwind, which you ASSUMED must be
beating.

I would say that 99% of the boating community would say that VMG to
windward implies beating, although it can be an instantaneous measure,
it doesn't actually mean you're tacking back and forth. Nor does it
mean you're at the optimal upwind angle. You could be on a beam reach
or even going downwind, and your "VMG to windward" could still be
measured.

I'm not sure which is more embarrassing for you....

I'm only embarrassed for you ... especially since you keep digging the
hole deeper, revealing that you have learned nothing about sailing.


1) Raging over our VMG without knowing our specific POS and conditions.

Point of sail is irrelevant. When you say "to windward at just over 6
knots VMG" you are saying something very specific and well understood
by any experienced sailor.

2) Not really knowing what upwind means.

I know exactly what it means. Its quite clear to everyone that you do
not know what "VMG to windward" means.

3) Falling into your own bucket of crap and calling me names.

You mean the "pathological liar" comment? You've claimed a number of
times that you lie deliberately. In fact, you seem to take great
pride in your elaborate lies. Are you now lying when you claim you're
not a liar?


Your own fault, Jeff. We went sailing. You stayed home. Same thing
happens today...but then I miss tomorrow cuz' Suzanne's working.
You sound like one seriously unhappy fella!

I didn't stay home, actually I was out on a friend's boat.