Capt. Rob wrote:
"to windward at just over 6 knots VMG." That means only one
thing to a sailor.



Uh...Jeff. I don't know any sailors so stupid as to think "windward"
means as far upwind as possible...or even optimal. Windard means quite
a bit more than that and different things for different boats in
different conditions.

Totally irrelevant. You're just digging the hole deeper. You really
don't seem to understand the meaning of VMG to windward.

Lordy, you REALLY made an ARSE of yourself with this one.

Right - you show total ignorance of basic sailing terminology, and you
calling me an arse.

Here's the bottom line, Jeff. We WERE sailing upwind, probably not
higher that 40 (My shot sails won't allow it easily without fuss.

Are you still claiming you had a VMG to windward of 6 knots? To have
a VMG of 6 knots you would have to be doing almost 8 knots through the
water. If we add in a few degrees of leeway, it becomes about 8.4
knots to have a real VMG of 6 knots. As I've said, I don't have your
polars, but the Bene 407, a much faster boat, does about 6.8 knots at
optimal pointing (about 40 degrees). So are you claiming that you
were going a full knot and a half faster than a Beneteau 407???

The fact the you continue to defend your original statement with
claims of not being at the optimal point, and not having good sails
makes you sound even dumber! My point is that even at the optimal
point you couldn't have a VMG that high for any sustained period. You
defense is just absurd, and simply shows you have no knowledge of how
boats work.


Sorry, Jeff....you truly DID make an arse of yourself...and over
nothing.

Sure thing Bob, you demonstrate total ignorance about sailing,
essentially admitting that every claim you make about performance is
totally bogus, and you claim I made an arse of myself.

How about this: anytime you have a customer ask you about sailing, you
show them this exchange as a way of proving your credibility? See how
many buyers you have after that.