Your Christmas will be just another round of feeding
and changing baby. Way to go Mr. Mom! Brody you
are so weird!

CN


wrote in message ...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:39:51 GMT, "katysails"
wrote:

Nope...I'm gonna have fun with my granddaughters....I'm going to watch them
open presents and have a good time and be very thankful that they are
alive....My Christmas will be much better than yours.


Your Christmas can only be better than Neal's if you re-upholster all your
furniture with Mauve naugahyde. Neal told me so!

BB, aka Neal

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Large wave behind the tanker with the lightning bolt.

I agree. That photo looks very suspect.
Maybe it was taken on Lake Michigan - and the lightning was added later???



Regards


Donal
--

Strangest looking storm trysail I ever saw. The shape is
wrong. That's a reefed mainsail or I'm a hobbit.

CN


OzOne wrote in message ...

Had you put a 50% jib up, the boat would have been knocked flat within
seconds of that pic being taken....Oh, and that "reefed mainsail" is a
storm trisail.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:17:00 +1100, OzOne said:

Wow Donal, did you overdose on ignorance pills?

As always Oz, your logic is impeccable. I cannot disagree with you.

Now that's a change!
Xmas spirit?
Brown, white, red or bubbly?

Sarcasm.

Please, Dave!!!! It's much more fun when people don't understand.



Regards


Donal
--

I can tell by looking at the sea state in that photo using the
Beaufort scale that the winds were NOWHERE near 85 knots
when that photo was taken. More like fifty.

CN

OzOne wrote in message ...
Cappy, at the time that pic was taken, waves in the area were in
excess of 60' and the gentle breeze was topping 85kts.

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Donal" wrote in message

Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been
written here over the years.

I would like to settle this debate for once and for all.

Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas.

http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm


I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on
"Lake" Michigan!

Great photos. The top one looks like a bulk freighter on Lake M. with an
approaching squall with a trailing wall cloud. Beyond that there isn't
much
resemblance. Then again, would any of this ever be seen in the Adriatic,
the Med. or the Red sea? Sea doesn't mean the open ocean, necessarily.
It
refers to bodies of water of various sizes.

The Med. gets some scary storms. A friend got airlifted off of a yacht in
an F10 by an American aircraft carrier's helicopter. He was very impressed
by the fact that it took a 1/2 hour to get from the helicopter to the sick
bay - after the helicopter had landed!!

He was very unimpressed by the fact that the helicopter couldn't find them
without radio assistance!!



Regards


Donal
--

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:03:45 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote:

Your Christmas will be just another round of feeding
and changing baby. Way to go Mr. Mom! Brody you
are so weird!

CN


Says the totally busted and humiliated Neal the homeless bum.

BB, aka Neal - No really! I'm Neal & Doug & Wally and... and... well...
I'm
nobody!

I corrected your mistake.

Regards


Donal
--

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I doubt that you've spent ANY time in the GS. Moreoever, I doubt if you
ever get off the fricking mooring, other than to pump out. Otherwise you'd
not have made the ridiculous statements you posted. As for time in my boat,
almost anyone has more time than I. I work for a living, and I've only had
the boat 4 years.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Again I doubt the veracity of your claims.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

Who said anything about the hype? I simply said you've never sailed in the
big stuff.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

I thought I already said that. Guess you just respond, rather than read
other's posts. Nothing new there.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Which is the prudent thing to do.


Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it?

Who said I do? Not I. I simply pointed out that some of the things you've
claimed to do are not particularly good for one's health, or that of one's
vessel.

I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach.

If the waves are steep enough and tall enough, there is no such thing as
being at an oblique-enough angle to avoid a broach.

Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy.

Once again you make a statement that shows ignorance of the facts. Some
sloops are actually designed to sail well under main alone. Mine, for
example. It's in the literature that accompanied the boat. Depending upon
wind speed (read: high velocity) and current, sailing under main alone is
not only well-balanced, it's better balanced than when flying even a hanky
of a jib. That Coronado of yous isn't the only boat afloat, Herr Kapitan.

You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

At least I'm intelligent enough to know that I don't have anywhere near the
facts necessary to draw any such sort of conclusions w/r/t to that boat or
the skipper and crew. You, OTOH, just plunge right in and make a fool of
yourself.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Oh really? I think anyone who uses the moniker "Capt. Neal" isn't even a
real person. But that's another issue. One man's facts are another man's
humor. That's certainly the case in this example. You look more foolish
with each passing paragraph.


Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

Okay, Capt. Neal, or whomever you are. But count on me (and others) to call
you on your ignorance whenever it shows up here.

(Giving your identity a bit more thought, you must be Bobsprit. Your
tendency to chest-thump, brag, and pass faulty info is almost pathognomonic
of the Bubbles syndrome. And since you've been back, he's been absent.)

Max

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Had I been in charge of that boat, it would have had a 50% jib up
to balance out the reefed mainsail.

That fact that you can't even recognize a trysail should put to bed any
discussion about whether you know **** from shinola.

Max

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Actually they do have tides, albiet almost imperceptible. Near the
equator
the oceans have very little tide. So what?


Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahah! Lord but you are ignorant. What makes
you think there is very little tide near the Equator?

Simple physics proves how stupid your statement really is. The pull of
gravity from the Moon and Sun raises the tides. The pull is the even
greater at the Equator than at higher latitudes because the Earth
surface at the Equator is closer to the Moon and Sun than the higher
latitudes. Hence gravity is slightly stronger there, hence the tides
are actually higher.

Some sailor you are! Go stand in the corner.

This is such an ignorant post, I'm not going to respond to it. At least not
beyond pointing out how completely ignorant it is.

Might do some reading, sock puppet. You really don't have a clue.

Max