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"Sea" of Michigan!
Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been
written here over the years. I would like to settle this debate for once and for all. Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas. http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Regards Donal -- |
Donal wrote: Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been written here over the years. I would like to settle this debate for once and for all. Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas. http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! It's a front Donal, Fronts cross the Sea of Michigan all the time. Sea conditions look quite calm in your picture. Best guess is there are around 5000 sunken ships in the great lakes. It may not be a sea but it acts like one at times. Joe Regards Donal -- |
you may want to look at more than just the 1st picture.
gf. "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... It's a front Donal, Fronts cross the Sea of Michigan all the time. Sea conditions look quite calm in your picture. Best guess is there are around 5000 sunken ships in the great lakes. It may not be a sea but it acts like one at times. Joe Regards Donal -- |
Cool series of pics.
Cut the Mustard has sailed in conditions like that many a time and has had less difficult a time than those ships. Small yachts under sail ride like a duck up and down those waves and don't get pounded like those ships. CN "Donal" wrote in message ... Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been written here over the years. I would like to settle this debate for once and for all. Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas. http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Regards Donal -- |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... It's a front Donal, Fronts cross the Sea of Michigan all the time. Sea conditions look quite calm in your picture. This from the man that can see everything on his RADAR. Way to go Joe! 100 foot waves are "quite calm"! Bwahahahaha!! Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote in message ... Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been written here over the years. I would like to settle this debate for once and for all. Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas. http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Regards Donal -- http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/stm_1913.htm You can actually find conditions more like the roaring forties. http://tinylink.com/?8mNdUDYV1d A pretty good read. John Cairns |
At least one picture is fake.
"Donal" wrote in message ... Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been written here over the years. I would like to settle this debate for once and for all. Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas. http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Regards Donal -- |
Wrong you are...very very wrong... Lake Michigan has waterspouts all the
time in the summer and has sitch waves....better do some studying up on the meteorological conditions present on the Great Lakes... "Donal" wrote in message ... Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been written here over the years. I would like to settle this debate for once and for all. Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas. http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Regards Donal -- |
A product of an inferior education, obviously. The Europeans claim we in
the US know very little about them, however, look at how little they know about us. OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:23:04 -0000, "Donal" scribbled thusly: I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Regards Donal Wow Donal, did you overdose on ignorance pills? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
For his sake, I hope so, too. I would hate to think someone was that
ill-informed regarding the geography and climatology of the Great lakes. OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:04:57 GMT, "katysails" scribbled thusly: A product of an inferior education, obviously. The Europeans claim we in the US know very little about them, however, look at how little they know about us. I think he was just trolling....I hope! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
"Donal" wrote in message Much nonsense about whether Lake Michigan is a lake or a sea, has been written here over the years. I would like to settle this debate for once and for all. Here are some photos that depict conditions in real seas. http://www.arendnet.com/atlant4.htm I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Great photos. The top one looks like a bulk freighter on Lake M. with an approaching squall with a trailing wall cloud. Beyond that there isn't much resemblance. Then again, would any of this ever be seen in the Adriatic, the Med. or the Red sea? Sea doesn't mean the open ocean, necessarily. It refers to bodies of water of various sizes. Max |
"Donal" wrote in message 100 foot waves are "quite calm"! Bwahahahaha!! The biggest waves ever witnessed on Lake Michigan were estimated to be around 75 to 80 feet. The biggest on Lake Superior were estimated to be about 10' higher. Rare? Yup, but they can occur. And when they do the brief spacing between them is what destroys ships. I've been in 30s in the Caribbean, and I'd much rather have those than 10 footers on Lake M. or Lake Erie. Max |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Cool series of pics. Cut the Mustard has sailed in conditions like that many a time and has had less difficult a time than those ships. Small yachts under sail ride like a duck up and down those waves and don't get pounded like those ships. . . . and the occupants of those small yachts get tossed about their cabins like socks in a clothes dryer. Max |
Sorry my machine was set on 1/8 of a mile and I only saw the first
photo. Great pictures, I like the one of the stern shot of the Supply Boat almost standing up on end. You know anyone in the forward bunkrooms where either flying up to meet the overhead or shattering teeth when the bow slams down. And the oh **** drawing behind the pictures is cool as well. Nothing like having your whole boat underwater. Joe |
Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable. Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer. The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered but the breakers atop those huge waves. Those breakers tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found. One must always keep the washboard in and battened down. Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would have a smoother ride and might even be able to make some headway. CN "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Cool series of pics. Cut the Mustard has sailed in conditions like that many a time and has had less difficult a time than those ships. Small yachts under sail ride like a duck up and down those waves and don't get pounded like those ships. . . . and the occupants of those small yachts get tossed about their cabins like socks in a clothes dryer. Max |
That's why one must sail off the wind and sail under
a small, balanced press of sail so one can maneuver in such a way to avoid those breakers. They are not mast height, btw. They are relatively small. Look closely at the pictures. The really huge looking waves are taken looking up from a transom when the bow is in the trough . . . CN OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:51:34 -0500, Capt. Neal® scribbled thusly: Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable. Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer. The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered but the breakers atop those huge waves. Those breakers tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found. One must always keep the washboard in and battened down. Bwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaaa! Cappy, the breakers atop those huge waves will often be above your mast height! They'll pick your little boat up like flicking a fly with your finger! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Great Lakes:
They are Lakes! They are huge bodies of water! Bigger than a lot of seas! Can be very tough in a bad weather! That doesn't make them anything but a Lake. They are not at sea level. They have no tides. The flow of water is always in the same direction, The outlet is always the same. That is because they are Lakes. Why must they be classified as a Sea? They are Lakes. Lakes to be damn proud of! They are superior Bodies of Water, with their own weather systems. They have their own ship traveling commerce that is busier than most seas in the world. They are a wonder of nature as they are. What have they to gain by being labelled a sea? Ole Thom |
You don't have to Australia for wild weather. Neal and his toy boat wouldn't
last 10 minutes in decent wind.... http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicL...#anchor1085433 or http://tinyurl.com/gx7j -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:22:57 -0500, Capt. Neal® scribbled thusly: That's why one must sail off the wind and sail under a small, balanced press of sail so one can maneuver in such a way to avoid those breakers. They are not mast height, btw. They are relatively small. Look closely at the pictures. The really huge looking waves are taken looking up from a transom when the bow is in the trough . . . CN Cappy, it's very very obvious that you've never seen anything anywhere like these waves. You might like to look at this pic Cappy. http://www.richardbennett.com.au/ Seas look calm, until you notice that the whole boat is being dragged sideways by the wave that has just passed her....she's a 70footer! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
"katysails" wrote in message ... A product of an inferior education, obviously. The Europeans claim we in the US know very little about them, however, look at how little they know about us. That's not fair, Katy. I searched Google for stories about bad weather on Lake Michigan. This is about the worst that I found :- http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/in...52726239260.xm l "Waves reached 14 to 18 feet overnight and still were 12 to 16 feet high this morning, the National Weather Service reported. " That was in winds that exceeded 50mph! Why don't you post some links to some sea-riously bad conditions on "Lake" Michigan? Regards Donal -- |
OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:23:04 -0000, "Donal" scribbled thusly: I think that we can agree that conditions like these cannot be found on "Lake" Michigan! Wow Donal, did you overdose on ignorance pills? As always Oz, your logic is impeccable. I cannot disagree with you. I am green with envy when I try to picture the standing ovation that you must have received when you first used that argument at your university debating society! Did you take a bow as the audience cheered? Regards Donal -- |
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message ink.net... At least one picture is fake. I have to admit that one or two surprised me. Which one do you think is a fake? Regards Donal -- |
OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:12:45 -0000, "Donal" scribbled thusly: As always Oz, your logic is impeccable. I cannot disagree with you. Now that's a change! Xmas spirit? Brown, white, red or bubbly? Really! I thought that you Aussies were proper colonials! Don't you understand sarcasm? I am green with envy when I try to picture the standing ovation that you must have received when you first used that argument at your university debating society! Did you take a bow as the audience cheered? I tend not to associate with those ******s. Their hearts must be broken.... Do you think that those ******s would associate with a (rich / bent) ex-copper? Regards Donal -- |
Thom,
They are inland seas...they are categorized by many as inland seas...and they do have tides...negligible perhaps, but they are there...so go have a drink and calm down before you have a stroke... "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Great Lakes: They are Lakes! They are huge bodies of water! Bigger than a lot of seas! Can be very tough in a bad weather! That doesn't make them anything but a Lake. They are not at sea level. They have no tides. The flow of water is always in the same direction, The outlet is always the same. That is because they are Lakes. Why must they be classified as a Sea? They are Lakes. Lakes to be damn proud of! They are superior Bodies of Water, with their own weather systems. They have their own ship traveling commerce that is busier than most seas in the world. They are a wonder of nature as they are. What have they to gain by being labelled a sea? Ole Thom |
This storm dumped a pile of boats off their cradles at the marina next door
to Crosswinds in Whitehall, MI: http://www.msu.edu/~fujita/tornado/l...rr-report.html An explanation fro U of M: http://www.seismosoc.org/publication...l_69-5_eq.html Make sure you read all of it: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/wxnow/pr...FNT.0312022331 |
Idiots should have storm jib up and they'd have some control.
Fools are attempting to sail with main alone and cannot overcome the weather helm with their silly little racing rudder and thin keel. CN OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:22:57 -0500, Capt. Neal® scribbled thusly: That's why one must sail off the wind and sail under a small, balanced press of sail so one can maneuver in such a way to avoid those breakers. They are not mast height, btw. They are relatively small. Look closely at the pictures. The really huge looking waves are taken looking up from a transom when the bow is in the trough . . . CN Cappy, it's very very obvious that you've never seen anything anywhere like these waves. You might like to look at this pic Cappy. http://www.richardbennett.com.au/ Seas look calm, until you notice that the whole boat is being dragged sideways by the wave that has just passed her....she's a 70footer! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
"katysails" wrote in message ... Thom, They are inland seas...they are categorized by many as inland seas...and they do have tides...negligible perhaps, but they are there...so go have a drink and calm down before you have a stroke... Sounds to me like the old coot has already had a stroke, several perhaps. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote: Idiots should have storm jib up and they'd have some control. Fools are attempting to sail with main alone and cannot overcome the weather helm with their silly little racing rudder and thin keel. LOL Cheers |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable. This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by sail pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's like riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves and then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and you've got your basic Maytag dryer set on high. Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer. The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of broaching comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves while towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is a quick and dirty recipe for a broach. The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered but the breakers atop those huge waves. LOL. You really haven't been there, have you? Those breakers tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found. One must always keep the washboard in and battened down. Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would have a smoother ride and might even be able to make some headway. Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on its beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is either relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing vessel as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish powerboat. Max |
OzOne wrote in message On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:51:34 -0500, Capt. Neal® scribbled thusly: Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable. Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer. The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered but the breakers atop those huge waves. Those breakers tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found. One must always keep the washboard in and battened down. Bwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaaa! Cappy, the breakers atop those huge waves will often be above your mast height! They'll pick your little boat up like flicking a fly with your finger! He's been reading too many magazines while tied to that mooring float. Max |
OzOne wrote in message On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:25:40 -0500, Capt. Neal® scribbled thusly: Idiots should have storm jib up and they'd have some control. Fools are attempting to sail with main alone and cannot overcome the weather helm with their silly little racing rudder and thin keel. CN Bwaaahahahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaa aa! I'll tell em when I wave em off for the next Syd Hobart, I'm sure they'll be impressed that the good Capt can show them how to break all the records they already hold. Bwaaahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahaaa! I just love it. CN, from his tiny Coronado on a mooring somewhere in FL, criticizing a crew racing the Hobart. Stretches one's incredulity, it does. Max |
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message Great Lakes: They are Lakes! They are huge bodies of water! Bigger than a lot of seas! Can be very tough in a bad weather! That doesn't make them anything but a Lake. And why is that, Thom? Upon whose definition of bodies of water do you base that tidbit of insight? They are not at sea level. They have no tides. Actually they do have tides, albiet almost imperceptible. Near the equator the oceans have very little tide. So what? The flow of water is always in the same direction, The outlet is always the same. That is because they are Lakes. I'll grant you that. But I was unaware that flow had much, if anything, to do with the definition of the term lake. Many lakes have no flow whatever. White Lake, where we sail, is really just a wide spot in the White River. And Lake Monroe, in southern Indiana, is really just a reservoir created by damming a river. Lake is a highly relative term. Why must they be classified as a Sea? Dunno. No one said they must. In fact, IIRC they are called lakes. They are Lakes. Lakes to be damn proud of! They are superior Bodies of Water, with their own weather systems. They have their own ship traveling commerce that is busier than most seas in the world. They are a wonder of nature as they are. What have they to gain by being labelled a sea? Nothing. But when attempting to explain their characteristics, the term *lake* typically conjurs placid waters with waterfowl floating about the lilly pads and bluegill jumping to catch mayflies. The GLs are nothing like that. Folks who see them for the first time are impressed that one cannot see across to the other shore, or that they can be so malevolent. By equating them to seas gives those who haven't seen 'em a better perspective. But to my knowledge there is no movement underway to force a name change. Although there was a movement some years ago to label Lake Champlain in NY and VT the Sixth Great Lake. Most people said, "hogwash." Max |
OzOne wrote in message Well said Thom. I believe that calling them "seas" is purely a vanity thing....the sailors like to think they've been to sea. They should just accept that they are lake sailors. What gave you the impression that we think we are anything but "lake sailors?" We never denied it; to the contrary we are proud of it. But the characteristics of the GLs are often more aptly described by the behavior of a sea than what one generally thinks of with the term *lake.* Many salty pilots find themselves in a world of hurt in the GLs after crossing the Atlantic and adopting a feeling of relative security, now that they are on just a bunch of big *lakes.* The survivors go back across the pond, tail between their legs, telling everyone in Europe and Asia about the malignant inland "seas" in the American East and Midwest. Max |
The meteorology is the thing....it is so changeable that it is difficult to
get an accurate forecast...the Great Lakes region is known by NOAA to have some of the most challenging meteorological problems in the world....there is one section of Lake Michigan, the Little Pointe Sable area, that defies forecasting...the rest of the lake can be perking right along in a normal fashion and you get within a mile of this area and all hell breaks lose...the topography of the land does a lot to make this happen, as does the corresponding topography over in WI....confused water, freaky wind patterns...our own little "rounding the Horn"...add to that the windstorms that we get off the great plains and the humidity levels that produce huge convection storms, it can be a real picnic out there...one year we were toodling along quite happily and all of a sudden this black roll cloud appeared in the west...there had been no forecast of any violent frontal movements and the sun had been shining. We ran for our foulies and reduced sail. Ever been pelted by 1/2 inch hail? Was not a fun experience....and within 10 minutes of winds leaping from a lovely 10 to 35 ...and then it was over....summer squall... OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:50:21 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message Well said Thom. I believe that calling them "seas" is purely a vanity thing....the sailors like to think they've been to sea. They should just accept that they are lake sailors. What gave you the impression that we think we are anything but "lake sailors?" We never denied it; to the contrary we are proud of it. But the characteristics of the GLs are often more aptly described by the behavior of a sea than what one generally thinks of with the term *lake.* Many salty pilots find themselves in a world of hurt in the GLs after crossing the Atlantic and adopting a feeling of relative security, now that they are on just a bunch of big *lakes.* The survivors go back across the pond, tail between their legs, telling everyone in Europe and Asia about the malignant inland "seas" in the American East and Midwest. Max Only thing I see is the long long fetch and shallow areas that would produce some really scary waves....plus the fact that it's always so frickin cold! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Large wave behind the tanker with the lightning bolt.
"Donal" wrote in message ... "Bob Crantz" wrote in message ink.net... At least one picture is fake. I have to admit that one or two surprised me. Which one do you think is a fake? Regards Donal -- |
It looks like a container ship with COM... on the side.
Two lightning strikes, spray off the wavetops, lighting, observation angle, plus the ship is a model gives it all away. Too bad other "seasoned" sailors didn't catch it. Amen! BC "Donal" wrote in message ... "Bob Crantz" wrote in message ink.net... At least one picture is fake. I have to admit that one or two surprised me. Which one do you think is a fake? Regards Donal -- |
I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous proportions when the wind is against the current. I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions. Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have sailed in large seas because if you had you would know that most of the hype about them is just hype. You would also know that the ride in a small, properly sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable manner. Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas the period of which is long enough that pitching is barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as possible. Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary. Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no matter how great a reputation he or his vessel might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture of a vessel being tossed sideways because it cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced sail plan and conclude anything other than the captain and crew is either not paying attention or they are just plain lazy and inept. Those are the facts. I could care less if you agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no sailor. Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King and the other trawler sailors. CN "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable. This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by sail pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's like riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves and then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and you've got your basic Maytag dryer set on high. Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer. The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of broaching comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves while towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is a quick and dirty recipe for a broach. The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered but the breakers atop those huge waves. LOL. You really haven't been there, have you? Those breakers tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found. One must always keep the washboard in and battened down. Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would have a smoother ride and might even be able to make some headway. Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on its beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is either relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing vessel as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish powerboat. Max |
"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... I just love it. CN, from his tiny Coronado on a mooring somewhere in FL, criticizing a crew racing the Hobart. Stretches one's incredulity, it does. It is clear from the picture that the so-called crew is inept. You don't sail a boat sideways if you have any skill at all. You don't sail with an unbalanced sail plan if you expect to have any control at the helm. Had I been in charge of that boat, it would have had a 50% jib up to balance out the reefed mainsail. I would have been going forward - not sideways. What makes you think any race crew knows what they are doing when the picture clearly shows their obvious ineptitude? CN |
OzOne wrote in message ... 'The Sled' is actually not doing Hobart this year, I believe she's racing North instead but many of her crew will go south in other yachts. Built as a downwind flyer, hence the Bobsled name, when she was launched she had a small problem with her keel wich caused the entire boat to literally buzz when surfing over 25kts....very uncomfortable. Not doing the Hobart this year? Surprise, surprise! Who can blame them for sparing themselves further humiliation for their ignorance of sailing basics such a using a balanced sail plan reefed down for the conditions. The buzz that crew felt was most likely from cannabis. CN |
"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... Actually they do have tides, albiet almost imperceptible. Near the equator the oceans have very little tide. So what? Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahah! Lord but you are ignorant. What makes you think there is very little tide near the Equator? Simple physics proves how stupid your statement really is. The pull of gravity from the Moon and Sun raises the tides. The pull is the even greater at the Equator than at higher latitudes because the Earth surface at the Equator is closer to the Moon and Sun than the higher latitudes. Hence gravity is slightly stronger there, hence the tides are actually higher. Some sailor you are! Go stand in the corner. CN |
"katysails" wrote in message ... The meteorology is the thing....it is so changeable that it is difficult to get an accurate forecast...the Great Lakes region is known by NOAA to have some of the most challenging meteorological problems in the world....there is one section of Lake Michigan, the Little Pointe Sable area, that defies forecasting...the rest of the lake can be perking right along in a normal fashion and you get within a mile of this area and all hell breaks lose...the topography of the land does a lot to make this happen, as does the corresponding topography over in WI....confused water, freaky wind patterns...our own little "rounding the Horn"...add to that the windstorms that we get off the great plains and the humidity levels that produce huge convection storms, it can be a real picnic out there...one year we were toodling along quite happily and all of a sudden this black roll cloud appeared in the west...there had been no forecast of any violent frontal movements and the sun had been shining. We ran for our foulies and reduced sail. Ever been pelted by 1/2 inch hail? Was not a fun experience....and within 10 minutes of winds leaping from a lovely 10 to 35 ...and then it was over....summer squall... Oh my! Thirty-five mile per hour winds! Surely winds such as that will strip the flesh from one's bones. Bwahahahhahahahhhahhhaha aha ha hahh ahah ah hah ah ha ha hah ha ha hh aahahhahah ah hah aah ! C'mon, Katy. Thirty-five mph winds are fair winds for us Trade Wind sailors. Learn how to reef your sails quickly and carry on. CN |
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