I spoke with a sales rep in PA a few weeks ago. He was pushing the precast
foundation panels pretty hard. The price looked good (about 20K for 2000 sq
ft, 9' ht) but I wondered about the thickness in terms of supporting the
house. It also seemed odd that the panels sit on stone and not a poured
footer. He assured me that wasn't a problem.
The ICFs looked better to me than the factory poured panels.
I'm budgeting about 100K for land and 200K for building. I'd rather reduce
in size than in quality to meet budget.
Scout

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
if you're interested: have a look at arcat.com
a site for construction related resources.
ICFs are ok.
9' high foundation walls will generally require reinforcing---depends are
where the ground elevation is located relative to the basemnet floor.
make sure you have it engineered.

there are also precast foundation panel and insulation systems.
personally, i'd stay away from them.
usually VERY thin wall thickness. any movement (earth or thermal) ar
water/freezing prolbems, and you will have bigger problems.

just my view, of course.
good luck

gf.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Aye, and it went quickly, as did one of the bikes. We're lightening the
load for the move. We've been looking at homes for months and couldn't
find one with all the features we'd like. We finally decided to find some
land and build. I'm liking what I'm seeing in these ICF's (Insulated
Concrete Forms) and would like to build a concrete home on top of a 2000
sq ft x 9' high basement. We've looked as far out as Bucktown and north
to Pennsburg.
www.rewardwalls.com
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
you sell your boat yet?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I'm not as drink as some people thunk I am

if you don't mind i'll take this of the NG and send you an email
gf.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I spoke with a sales rep in PA a few weeks ago. He was pushing the precast
foundation panels pretty hard. The price looked good (about 20K for 2000 sq
ft, 9' ht) but I wondered about the thickness in terms of supporting the
house. It also seemed odd that the panels sit on stone and not a poured
footer. He assured me that wasn't a problem.
The ICFs looked better to me than the factory poured panels.
I'm budgeting about 100K for land and 200K for building. I'd rather reduce
in size than in quality to meet budget.
Scout

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
if you're interested: have a look at arcat.com
a site for construction related resources.
ICFs are ok.
9' high foundation walls will generally require reinforcing---depends are
where the ground elevation is located relative to the basemnet floor.
make sure you have it engineered.

there are also precast foundation panel and insulation systems.
personally, i'd stay away from them.
usually VERY thin wall thickness. any movement (earth or thermal) ar
water/freezing prolbems, and you will have bigger problems.

just my view, of course.
good luck

gf.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Aye, and it went quickly, as did one of the bikes. We're lightening the
load for the move. We've been looking at homes for months and couldn't
find one with all the features we'd like. We finally decided to find
some land and build. I'm liking what I'm seeing in these ICF's
(Insulated Concrete Forms) and would like to build a concrete home on
top of a 2000 sq ft x 9' high basement. We've looked as far out as
Bucktown and north to Pennsburg.
www.rewardwalls.com
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
you sell your boat yet?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I'm not as drink as some people thunk I am

absolutely - thanks!
Scout

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
if you don't mind i'll take this of the NG and send you an email
gf.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I spoke with a sales rep in PA a few weeks ago. He was pushing the precast
foundation panels pretty hard. The price looked good (about 20K for 2000
sq ft, 9' ht) but I wondered about the thickness in terms of supporting
the house. It also seemed odd that the panels sit on stone and not a
poured footer. He assured me that wasn't a problem.
The ICFs looked better to me than the factory poured panels.
I'm budgeting about 100K for land and 200K for building. I'd rather
reduce in size than in quality to meet budget.
Scout

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
if you're interested: have a look at arcat.com
a site for construction related resources.
ICFs are ok.
9' high foundation walls will generally require reinforcing---depends
are where the ground elevation is located relative to the basemnet
floor.
make sure you have it engineered.

there are also precast foundation panel and insulation systems.
personally, i'd stay away from them.
usually VERY thin wall thickness. any movement (earth or thermal) ar
water/freezing prolbems, and you will have bigger problems.

just my view, of course.
good luck

gf.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Aye, and it went quickly, as did one of the bikes. We're lightening the
load for the move. We've been looking at homes for months and couldn't
find one with all the features we'd like. We finally decided to find
some land and build. I'm liking what I'm seeing in these ICF's
(Insulated Concrete Forms) and would like to build a concrete home on
top of a 2000 sq ft x 9' high basement. We've looked as far out as
Bucktown and north to Pennsburg.
www.rewardwalls.com
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
you sell your boat yet?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I'm not as drink as some people thunk I am

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:51:52 GMT, "Overproof"
wrote this crap:


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
"Horvath" wrote in message

Wuss. I add vodka or rum to my beer, this is called "grog." Real
sailors drink grog.


Like I said - an alcoholic's idea of beer!

Grog is not made with hard liquor and beer... Horvath is being a dumbass!




From the earliest days of sail, men needed liquid during voyages. The
most readily available liquids were water and beer. As there was no
method of distillation or preservation, water was taken on board and
stored in casks, replaced at the end of the voyage or at ports of
call. Beer was also stored in casks and the ration. Water quickly
developed algae and turned slimy, and beer turned sour, so the custom
was to drink the beer before it soured and then turn to water. Stale
water was sweetened to make it more palatable, and was often sweetened
with beer or wine. The original ration of beer for seamen was a gallon
a day, a significant amount to store over a long voyage. As the
British Empire grew and longer voyages became more common, the problem
of spoilage and shortages increased.

The origin of grog lies with Vice-Admiral William Penn, father of the
founder of Pennsylvania. In 1655, during Penn's campaign for Cromwell
in the Indies, Penn arrived in Barbados and captured Jamaica.
Unfortunately Jamaica had few stores of beer or wine. Jamaica did,
however, have rum. Penn, therefore, began the use of rum as a ration.

In the seventeenth century, an early form of rum was known as
"rumbustion." In Elizabeth I's time, privateers and pirates traded in
rum, and it was a liquor well-known to sailors. After 1655, as the
Indies became an increasingly popular port, the use of rum increased.
Although it became common, rum was not part of the "Regulations and
Instructions Relating to His Majesty's Service at Sea" until 1731 at
which time a half a pint of rum was made equal to the provision of a
gallon of beer. In the early days this was specific only to ships in
the West Indies, and rum was not diluted.(1)

http://www.contemplator.com/history/grog.html





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern Ontario
called "Stella Artois". Last spring they were giving away free glasses. I
have not seen advertizing for it except in bars, but I saw it in Michigan
last month as well.

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:dp5sd.227537$df2.96016@edtnps89...

"DSK" wrote in message

BTW the fact that it didn't sell doesn't mean it's bad... just that
nobody
who walked into the store knew what it was.

BTW - Samuel Adams advertises here because we get most of your TV
channels..... nobody knows about Belgian Beer... but the local Private
Outlet authorized to import it is consistently sold out... why is that???

Let me explain it to you.... you guys know **** when it comes to beer!
That's why!

[It's about beer.... it's about sailing]

CM
Proud Owner of a Canadian Vessel

LOL!
That is still one of my favourite movies.
I don't know if the satire works as well for people too young to remember
those days.
I still remember the testing of the air raid sirens.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
Grain alcohol and rainwater for me!

Amen!

Peace on earth!

Purity of essence!

Bob Crantz


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:8U7sd.228737$df2.81666@edtnps89...
Although I can concur on your previously stated opinion regarding
personal
tastes in beer, and I'll admit, as I have in the past, that I have not
sampled more than the commercial variety offered by your nation....
but,
I'll have to disagree with your premise on alcohol content. I normally
drink
a beer that is 7.5% alcohol. It's a fine tasting brew and has a nice
slightly bitter after taste. Now I don't consider a beer to be strong
unless
it approaches 9 %. The typical 4.5% offered by American beers is not
considered an alcoholic beverage up here... it's barely palatable if
served
very cold and you can consume it all day in great quantities without
suffering any intoxication.

The true test of a beer is if it is still enjoyable at room temperature.
I
don't personally like Ice cold beer unless it's a very hot day.

My current alcohol tolerance as tested by the local constabulary with a
breathalyzer is below the 0.5 PPM reading after 8 of my usual brews
within
4 hours.

When I want to get drunk... I really have to turn to 151 proof rum or
the
Alcool offered in Quebec that clocks in at 96%

CM





"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
What the beer drinkers of other countries beside the
good ole USA don't seem to realize is that more is not
necessarily better.

More alcohol in beer is definitely not better. If I
want a bunch of alcohol, I'll drink Jack Black on
the rocks.

When I drink beer, I want to be able to drink a whole
bunch of beer without getting drunk nor do I want to
taste a bunch of heavy alcohol which ruins the fine
taste of hops and barley and malt.

Beer over five percent alcohol is not real beer at all
in this sailor's opinion. It is an alcoholic's idea of beer.

CN


"Michael" wrote in message
...
That's cause Canadians have this born to it, built in disdain for
anything
not made in Canada. At one time US beer was known for being weak and
insipid, Snipped remainder

I watch it frequently!
"If we hit the Ruskies with everything we've got, we'll lose 10 . . . 20
million . . . TOPS!
Scout

"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
...
LOL!
That is still one of my favourite movies.
I don't know if the satire works as well for people too young to remember
those days.
I still remember the testing of the air raid sirens.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
Grain alcohol and rainwater for me!

Amen!

Peace on earth!

Purity of essence!

Bob Crantz


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:8U7sd.228737$df2.81666@edtnps89...
Although I can concur on your previously stated opinion regarding
personal
tastes in beer, and I'll admit, as I have in the past, that I have not
sampled more than the commercial variety offered by your nation....
but,
I'll have to disagree with your premise on alcohol content. I normally
drink
a beer that is 7.5% alcohol. It's a fine tasting brew and has a nice
slightly bitter after taste. Now I don't consider a beer to be strong
unless
it approaches 9 %. The typical 4.5% offered by American beers is not
considered an alcoholic beverage up here... it's barely palatable if
served
very cold and you can consume it all day in great quantities without
suffering any intoxication.

The true test of a beer is if it is still enjoyable at room
temperature.
I
don't personally like Ice cold beer unless it's a very hot day.

My current alcohol tolerance as tested by the local constabulary with a
breathalyzer is below the 0.5 PPM reading after 8 of my usual brews
within
4 hours.

When I want to get drunk... I really have to turn to 151 proof rum or
the
Alcool offered in Quebec that clocks in at 96%

CM





"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
What the beer drinkers of other countries beside the
good ole USA don't seem to realize is that more is not
necessarily better.

More alcohol in beer is definitely not better. If I
want a bunch of alcohol, I'll drink Jack Black on
the rocks.

When I drink beer, I want to be able to drink a whole
bunch of beer without getting drunk nor do I want to
taste a bunch of heavy alcohol which ruins the fine
taste of hops and barley and malt.

Beer over five percent alcohol is not real beer at all
in this sailor's opinion. It is an alcoholic's idea of beer.

CN


"Michael" wrote in message
...
That's cause Canadians have this born to it, built in disdain for
anything
not made in Canada. At one time US beer was known for being weak
and
insipid, Snipped remainder

its a dirty job...but, someone has to do it....



Oh My... such tender sensitivities harboured by a nation bent on global
domination!!

CM

What did you think of it? I haven't tried it yet.

CM
"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
...
There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern
Ontario
called "Stella Artois". Last spring they were giving away free glasses. I
have not seen advertizing for it except in bars, but I saw it in Michigan
last month as well.

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:dp5sd.227537$df2.96016@edtnps89...

"DSK" wrote in message

BTW the fact that it didn't sell doesn't mean it's bad... just that
nobody
who walked into the store knew what it was.

BTW - Samuel Adams advertises here because we get most of your TV
channels..... nobody knows about Belgian Beer... but the local Private
Outlet authorized to import it is consistently sold out... why is that???

Let me explain it to you.... you guys know **** when it comes to beer!
That's why!

[It's about beer.... it's about sailing]

CM
Proud Owner of a Canadian Vessel

Quite drinkable.
A bit stronger tasting (more hops?) than "regular" beer, but otherwise
unremarkable.
It is yellow in colour, and I have only seen it on tap.

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:IGFsd.312980$9b.208049@edtnps84...
What did you think of it? I haven't tried it yet.

CM
"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
...
There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern
Ontario
called "Stella Artois". Last spring they were giving away free glasses.
I
have not seen advertizing for it except in bars, but I saw it in
Michigan
last month as well.

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:dp5sd.227537$df2.96016@edtnps89...

"DSK" wrote in message

BTW the fact that it didn't sell doesn't mean it's bad... just that
nobody
who walked into the store knew what it was.

BTW - Samuel Adams advertises here because we get most of your TV
channels..... nobody knows about Belgian Beer... but the local
Private
Outlet authorized to import it is consistently sold out... why is
that???

Let me explain it to you.... you guys know **** when it comes to beer!
That's why!

[It's about beer.... it's about sailing]

CM
Proud Owner of a Canadian Vessel