In article ,
Recobee wrote:
BB smirks thusly:

I think Bush has effectively destroyed the future
of an all volunteer military. Nice ****ing work, Smirking Chimp!

You're absolutely right! It's about time! The all volunteer military was a
bunch of weekend warriors that couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
What we need is a 2 year draft, where every one is made to realize that
military duty is just that: a DUTY, not a part time job or a way to get your
college tuition paid.

Slamming the military... sounds like a patriot to me...



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Ganz thinks so!

I think not! Its time to face facts. Patriotism and a sense of duty have gone
out the window. How many of the young men that are now serving in the NATIONAL
GUARD, etc., are there because of a sense of duty? What percentage of them
expected they would be fighting and dying on foreign soil to protect their
country? How many women generals know what it means to dig out a bloody
victory? How many women MP's know how to guard prisoners?

I suspect that many of them figured this was a weekend job, and that at most
they would be called out to help in some sort of national disaster, not have to
shoot and kill or be killed. I am upset when I see men and women, led by a
women general incapable of properly guarding prisoners. I am upset when I see
men and women refusing an order because they think it's to dangerous. I am
upset when I see men and women crying to mommy that their equipment isn't good
enough.

Am I slamming the military? I suppose so. I know that there are a significant
number of hardass patriotic men that do in fact serve, but not enough of them.
And we really need to make every one serve, and every one learn just what it
means to be a patriot.

That's not a football team in Massachusetts.

In article ,
Recobee wrote:
Ganz thinks so!

I think so if you're talking about the soldiers on the ground. If
you're talking about the upper-level of the military who don't insist
on having their advice heard, who pander to BushCo because they're
afraid of Rumsfeld forcing them out, then no.

I think not! Its time to face facts. Patriotism and a sense of duty have gone
out the window. How many of the young men that are now serving in the NATIONAL
GUARD, etc., are there because of a sense of duty? What percentage of them
expected they would be fighting and dying on foreign soil to protect their
country? How many women generals know what it means to dig out a bloody
victory? How many women MP's know how to guard prisoners?

I suspect that many did sign up because of sense of duty, and many
signed up for economic benefit. Doesn't matter. Both groups die the
same.

I suspect that many of them figured this was a weekend job, and that at most
they would be called out to help in some sort of national disaster, not have to
shoot and kill or be killed. I am upset when I see men and women, led by a
women general incapable of properly guarding prisoners. I am upset when I see
men and women refusing an order because they think it's to dangerous. I am
upset when I see men and women crying to mommy that their equipment isn't good
enough.

Seems to me that you are making assumptions about women in the
military. I don't have the complete facts about the specific female
general, but I believe she had her orders. She also gave a few
interviews wherein she disputed her "being in charge" of that part of
the prison.

Am I slamming the military? I suppose so. I know that there are a significant
number of hardass patriotic men that do in fact serve, but not enough of them.
And we really need to make every one serve, and every one learn just what it
means to be a patriot.

I agree. We need more. Kerry advocated increasing the size of the
Special Forces. Bush hasn't done much at all, except deny many of the
troops the equipment they need to do an effective, safer job.

That's not a football team in Massachusetts.

Neither is it in Texas.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Patriotism and a sense of duty have gone
out the window.

And it's taken many years of awful leadership to make this happen. Bush is the
worst yet.

RB

(Recobee) wrote in message ...


I agree 100% recobee.

Infact I think if your not willing to serve and protect your country
then you should not be allowed to vote.

After all how can you chose a commander and chief if you do not have a
clue what it's all about.

Joe
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37



Ganz thinks so!

I think not! Its time to face facts. Patriotism and a sense of duty have gone
out the window. How many of the young men that are now serving in the NATIONAL
GUARD, etc., are there because of a sense of duty? What percentage of them
expected they would be fighting and dying on foreign soil to protect their
country? How many women generals know what it means to dig out a bloody
victory? How many women MP's know how to guard prisoners?

I suspect that many of them figured this was a weekend job, and that at most
they would be called out to help in some sort of national disaster, not have to
shoot and kill or be killed. I am upset when I see men and women, led by a
women general incapable of properly guarding prisoners. I am upset when I see
men and women refusing an order because they think it's to dangerous. I am
upset when I see men and women crying to mommy that their equipment isn't good
enough.

Am I slamming the military? I suppose so. I know that there are a significant
number of hardass patriotic men that do in fact serve, but not enough of them.
And we really need to make every one serve, and every one learn just what it
means to be a patriot.

That's not a football team in Massachusetts.

"Joe" wrote

After all how can you chose a commander and chief if you do not have a
clue what it's all about.

Joe
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37

Bwahahahaha! Jeeze stop, my poor old busted up ribs hurt. An AD?? Can you
say REMF?

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote

After all how can you chose a commander and chief if you do not have a
clue what it's all about.

Joe
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37

Bwahahahaha! Jeeze stop, my poor old busted up ribs hurt. An AD?? Can you
say REMF?

To hard to pronounce..

And without AD's the rest of the fleet would just fall apart.

I was on a Sprunce class destroyer the David R Ray until I went to ABC
school and the Navy needed my skills more on a AD.

Joe

What's an AD?


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote

After all how can you chose a commander and chief if you do not
have a
clue what it's all about.

Joe
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37

Bwahahahaha! Jeeze stop, my poor old busted up ribs hurt. An AD??
Can you
say REMF?

To hard to pronounce..

And without AD's the rest of the fleet would just fall apart.

I was on a Sprunce class destroyer the David R Ray until I went to
ABC
school and the Navy needed my skills more on a AD.

Joe

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
What's an AD?

It's ADD. Attention Deficit Disorder.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
What's an AD?

It's a class of destroyer tender.
Mine now lays at the bottom of the Atlantic
http://www.usssamuelgompers.org



"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote

After all how can you chose a commander and chief if you do not
have a
clue what it's all about.

Joe
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37

Bwahahahaha! Jeeze stop, my poor old busted up ribs hurt. An AD??
Can you
say REMF?

To hard to pronounce..

And without AD's the rest of the fleet would just fall apart.

I was on a Sprunce class destroyer the David R Ray until I went to
ABC
school and the Navy needed my skills more on a AD.

Joe