over the knee, if you expand the definition to include gps charterplotters,
anything is possible.

same same if you expand the definition of breakfast eggs to include three
bricks of 24-k gold, you would be rich.

DR is speed vs time vs direction pointed, and your best guess as to where that
puts you. that's it, nothing more.

Some people believe that guessing as to current direction and strength and
guessing as to boat drift due to wind speed and direction improves their best
guess as to where they are, but it doesn't.

joe, you don't understand the definition of the term "DR".

jax, you don't know the definition of "DR", you only know A definition
of "DR", and the fact that *you* don't understand this is not surprising.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, if you expand the definition to include gps charterplotters,
anything is possible.

If I use a gps chart plotter (assuming gps working and connected) then I
have a fix not a "DR" position

same same if you expand the definition of breakfast eggs to include three
bricks of 24-k gold, you would be rich.

DR is speed vs time vs direction pointed, and your best guess as to where that
puts you. that's it, nothing more.

As stated before, you know "A" definition of DR, nothing more.
All this and your last post tell me is that you have extremely limited
experience and knowledge of the subject.

Some people believe that guessing as to current direction and strength and
guessing as to boat drift due to wind speed and direction improves their best
guess as to where they are, but it doesn't.

Statement shows limited experience.

DR has been used for centuries and is still used today. As such, it's
used to travel new routes as well as those that have been frequently
done in the past.
For this reason, many sailors have expanded on the term "DR" to include
past experience; their knowledge of how their vessel reacts to winds,
known currents; soundings, etc. .... i.e. they use these factors to
improve/fine tune their "DR" plots.
As Bowditch states, your definition is correct, but it's not universal.
For you, "DR" is speed/time/direction and that's OK since it's probably
all your experience can handle, but for many others, it includes a
number of other factors beyond your capabilities which don't give a
position and can be in error, but from experience, helps improve what
*THEY* call "DR".

otn



joe, you don't understand the definition of the term "DR".

jax, you don't know the definition of "DR", you only know A definition
of "DR", and the fact that *you* don't understand this is not surprising.

otn

no, over the knee, you DO have DR **if** you expand the definition of DR as you
did prior. I didn't expand it, you did.

over the knee, if you expand the definition to include gps charterplotters,
anything is possible.

If I use a gps chart plotter (assuming gps working and connected) then I
have a fix not a "DR" position

JAXAshby wrote:
no, over the knee, you DO have DR **if** you expand the definition of DR as you
did prior. I didn't expand it, you did.


over the knee, if you expand the definition to include gps charterplotters,
anything is possible.

If I use a gps chart plotter (assuming gps working and connected) then I
have a fix not a "DR" position

ROFL Go back and read my previous post. "I" did not expand the
definition of "DR" up to this point, if anything, you did. My simple
statement was that your's was only one definition of "DR", not the absolute.
BTW, there are adult education courses you could take which might help
your reading comprehension.

otn

note your expansion statement below.

no, over the knee, you DO have DR **if** you expand the definition of DR as
you
did prior. I didn't expand it, you did.


over the knee, if you expand the definition to include gps
charterplotters,
anything is possible.

If I use a gps chart plotter (assuming gps working and connected) then I
have a fix not a "DR" position

ROFL Go back and read my previous post. "I" did not expand the
definition of "DR" up to this point, if anything, you did.

---------------- My simple
statement was that your's was only one definition of "DR", not the absolute.
-----------------------


BTW, there are adult education courses you could take which might help
your reading comprehension.

otn

There you go with that reading comprehension problem again.
Oh well, got better things to do than argue semantics with you.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
note your expansion statement below.


no, over the knee, you DO have DR **if** you expand the definition of DR as

you

did prior. I didn't expand it, you did.



over the knee, if you expand the definition to include gps

charterplotters,

anything is possible.

If I use a gps chart plotter (assuming gps working and connected) then I
have a fix not a "DR" position

ROFL Go back and read my previous post. "I" did not expand the
definition of "DR" up to this point, if anything, you did.


---------------- My simple

statement was that your's was only one definition of "DR", not the absolute.

-----------------------



BTW, there are adult education courses you could take which might help
your reading comprehension.

otn

not reading comp, over the knee, that is your problem, but rather that you
don't care what reality is. you are vain, and if the world does not match your
prior beliefs, it is the world that is wrong.

ain't nothing sematic about the laws of physics. not a thing.

There you go with that reading comprehension problem again.
Oh well, got better things to do than argue semantics with you.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
note your expansion statement below.


no, over the knee, you DO have DR **if** you expand the definition of DR
as

you

did prior. I didn't expand it, you did.



over the knee, if you expand the definition to include gps

charterplotters,

anything is possible.

If I use a gps chart plotter (assuming gps working and connected) then I
have a fix not a "DR" position

ROFL Go back and read my previous post. "I" did not expand the
definition of "DR" up to this point, if anything, you did.


---------------- My simple

statement was that your's was only one definition of "DR", not the
absolute.

-----------------------



BTW, there are adult education courses you could take which might help
your reading comprehension.

otn

over the knee, give it up for the kriste sakes. once ah-fricken-ghen you are
arguing a physical impossibilty. most every scientist -- and certainly every
last physicist -- on the planet is laughing at you.

You, over the knee, have a better chance of arguing astrology is valid.


DR has been used for centuries and is still used today. As such, it's
used to travel new routes as well as those that have been frequently
done in the past.
For this reason, many sailors have expanded on the term "DR" to include
past experience; their knowledge of how their vessel reacts to winds,
known currents; soundings, etc. .... i.e. they use these factors to
improve/fine tune their "DR" plots.
As Bowditch states, your definition is correct, but it's not universal.
For you, "DR" is speed/time/direction and that's OK since it's probably
all your experience can handle, but for many others, it includes a
number of other factors beyond your capabilities which don't give a
position and can be in error, but from experience, helps improve what
*THEY* call "DR".

otn



joe, you don't understand the definition of the term "DR".

jax, you don't know the definition of "DR", you only know A definition
of "DR", and the fact that *you* don't understand this is not surprising.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, give it up for the kriste sakes. once ah-fricken-ghen you are
arguing a physical impossibilty. most every scientist -- and certainly every
last physicist -- on the planet is laughing at you.

You, over the knee, have a better chance of arguing astrology is valid.

Try to pay attention, difficult as that may be.
The subject is navigation ..... because someone is a scientist,
physicist, or astrologist, it doesn't necessarily hold that they are a
"navigator".
If you had any experience, you would know that navigation, especially in
the past, was as much an "art form" as it was a "science".
Especially, back then, your "basic" definition of "DR" was used and
held, *AS* the basic definition, but again as stated, it was not the
only definition, then as now.
The only problem I really see here, is that you have at best a highly
limited knowledge base of navigation, coupled with extremely little
experience, so, that, coupled with your consistently poor showing in
reading comprehension and lack of ability to grasp or expand on a
concept other than the one you may have been initially taught, you can't
possibly grasp how these other factors could possibly be applied to the
definition of "DR" ..... hey, no problem .... just stick with the basics
you know .... it's not like you're going to be senior navigator on some
offshore boat, at any time.

otn

there you have it, folks. over the knee "the astrology proof" as to why the
scientists of the world are wrong. In other words, over the knee is telling us
the **he** knows (because **he** hasn't yet hit the rocks) that the laws of
physics are wrong, wrong, wrong.

good on ya, dum-dum, for being lucky. so far.

over the knee, give it up for the kriste sakes. once ah-fricken-ghen you
are
arguing a physical impossibilty. most every scientist -- and certainly
every
last physicist -- on the planet is laughing at you.

You, over the knee, have a better chance of arguing astrology is valid.

Try to pay attention, difficult as that may be.
The subject is navigation ..... because someone is a scientist,
physicist, or astrologist, it doesn't necessarily hold that they are a
"navigator".
If you had any experience, you would know that navigation, especially in
the past, was as much an "art form" as it was a "science".
Especially, back then, your "basic" definition of "DR" was used and
held, *AS* the basic definition, but again as stated, it was not the
only definition, then as now.
The only problem I really see here, is that you have at best a highly
limited knowledge base of navigation, coupled with extremely little
experience, so, that, coupled with your consistently poor showing in
reading comprehension and lack of ability to grasp or expand on a
concept other than the one you may have been initially taught, you can't
possibly grasp how these other factors could possibly be applied to the
definition of "DR" ..... hey, no problem .... just stick with the basics
you know .... it's not like you're going to be senior navigator on some
offshore boat, at any time.

otn