Pilots laughing at me? Are these the pilots who don't know what airport they
take off from? No wonder you don't think it physically possible to navigate
without a GPS - you don't know where you are to start!




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Of course DR requires a known reference point. If you weren't so convinced
navigation is impossible without a GPS you might learn how it works.

jeffies, virtually every last pilot in the country with a valid license is
laughing at you. "flying blind" is illegal, and has been for seven some
decades, and for good reason. All pilots know that and know why.

you have changed the definition of DR to that of "pilotage", as in going from
one known landmark to the next.

yeah, 200,000 pilots in the country, and every last one of them is either
laughing at you for your lack of skills and understanding, or shaking their
heads at the danger you put yourself and your family so stew ped lee in.

Pilots laughing at me? Are these the pilots who don't know what airport they
take off from? No wonder you don't think it physically possible to navigate
without a GPS - you don't know where you are to start!




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Of course DR requires a known reference point. If you weren't so
convinced
navigation is impossible without a GPS you might learn how it works.

jeffies, virtually every last pilot in the country with a valid license is
laughing at you. "flying blind" is illegal, and has been for seven some
decades, and for good reason. All pilots know that and know why.

you have changed the definition of DR to that of "pilotage", as in going
from
one known landmark to the next.

"Wally" wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:

Ah I see what your saying, sorry.

Let me rephrase the question

What about the other two questions - the ones where you ask for the course
*to steer* and the speed *made good*? Do you mean the course and speed made
good?

yes.

I guess it's a Texas thing. Us Texans were raised to think that if you
want to do something you do it, no question about it.

So when I say "you want" to steer a compass course of 080 thats what
you steer.

Sorry for your confusion.

What Im looking for in the answer is your cmg and your smg.

joe

Jaxie, all those pilots are laughing at your misunderstanding of navigation and
are thankful that you don't fly anymore!

I'm also grateful that you don't sail whenever there is the smallest chance of
fog - that eases my burden considerably!

As for "putting my family at risk" you'll be happy to know that I travel with
GPS (plus a spare) and Radar, and unlike you, actually know how to use them.
However, I'm also prepared to cope with the loss of electronics, and when
conditions are ripe for fog, I chose routes that are easier for DR navigation if
the need arises.

Claiming that safe navigation in restricted visibility is impossible is to claim
that cruising, especially in the Northeast (or the Northwest) in the summer is
impossible. But I guess for you it is impossible.

Is this why you never tell us about any trips you've been on when you were
actually in charge? It seems like the only trips you talk about is when you
crewed for an "incompetent" skipper.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
yeah, 200,000 pilots in the country, and every last one of them is either
laughing at you for your lack of skills and understanding, or shaking their
heads at the danger you put yourself and your family so stew ped lee in.

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee obviously does not, so let's help out a bit.

Main Entry: de·duce
Pronunciation: di-'düs, dE-; chiefly British -'dyüs
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): de·duced; de·duc·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin deducere, literally, to lead away, from
de- + ducere to lead —more at TOW
Date: 15th century
1 : to determine by deduction; specifically : to infer from a general principle

synonym see INFER
- de·duc·ible /-'d(y)ü-s&-b&l/ adjective

You gotta make up your mind, jax. You were talking about "dead
reckoning" before, the term many use when employing time/direction/speed
only.
"deduced reckoning" applies when allowance is made for wind and current
..... something you say is impossible.
Mayhaps you should go back to the books for some further study.

otn

...... and your point is? The subject is "dead reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", "ded reckoning", not "fixes", or is this some random thought
which just found it's way out of your brain.
I fail to see how this relates to my post below or anything else, for
that matter.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, **if** you have known references point **then** you are not
deducing anything at all about where you are.

why are you being such a dumb cluck?


yeah, that's it. yesterday means tomorrow, green means frying pan and DR

means

whatever you want, today at 7:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time when posting as

what

the frick ever.


Now, now, jax .... don't get yer spandex speedo in an uproar .....
simply stated, you just don't know enough about actual navigation to
have the ability to carry on an intelligent discussion on the subject.
BTW, next time you look up "dead reckoning", "ded reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", read the whole definition.
Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the possibilities .......

Tataaa

otn

jeffies, what you proclaim as a safe practise has been illegal in the air for
seven some decades. now, I am fully aware that *YOU* believe *YOU* are above
the laws of physics, but get your wife to explain it to you.

Jaxie, all those pilots are laughing at your misunderstanding of navigation
and
are thankful that you don't fly anymore!

I'm also grateful that you don't sail whenever there is the smallest chance
of
fog - that eases my burden considerably!

As for "putting my family at risk" you'll be happy to know that I travel with
GPS (plus a spare) and Radar, and unlike you, actually know how to use them.
However, I'm also prepared to cope with the loss of electronics, and when
conditions are ripe for fog, I chose routes that are easier for DR navigation
if
the need arises.

Claiming that safe navigation in restricted visibility is impossible is to
claim
that cruising, especially in the Northeast (or the Northwest) in the summer
is
impossible. But I guess for you it is impossible.

Is this why you never tell us about any trips you've been on when you were
actually in charge? It seems like the only trips you talk about is when you
crewed for an "incompetent" skipper.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
yeah, 200,000 pilots in the country, and every last one of them is either
laughing at you for your lack of skills and understanding, or shaking their
heads at the danger you put yourself and your family so stew ped lee in.

"dead" reckoning is NEVER dead on. It can't be. It is physically impossible.

even guessing for wind and current makes no difference.

now, over the knee, *if* you -- like jeffies before you -- wish to change the
definition to the term to include pilotage, well go ahead. At least you would
be safer should you ever find yourself on the water.

over the knee obviously does not, so let's help out a bit.

Main Entry: de·duce
Pronunciation: di-'düs, dE-; chiefly British -'dyüs
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): de·duced; de·duc·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin deducere, literally, to lead away,
from
de- + ducere to lead �more at TOW
Date: 15th century
1 : to determine by deduction; specifically : to infer from a general
principle

synonym see INFER
- de·duc·ible /-'d(y)ü-s&-b&l/ adjective

You gotta make up your mind, jax. You were talking about "dead
reckoning" before, the term many use when employing time/direction/speed
only.
"deduced reckoning" applies when allowance is made for wind and current
.... something you say is impossible.
Mayhaps you should go back to the books for some further study.

otn

over the knee, you are agreeing with me and disagreeing with jeffies. did you
lose track of the world around you for a period of time?

...... and your point is? The subject is "dead reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", "ded reckoning", not "fixes", or is this some random thought
which just found it's way out of your brain.
I fail to see how this relates to my post below or anything else, for
that matter.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, **if** you have known references point **then** you are not
deducing anything at all about where you are.

why are you being such a dumb cluck?


yeah, that's it. yesterday means tomorrow, green means frying pan and DR

means

whatever you want, today at 7:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time when posting as

what

the frick ever.


Now, now, jax .... don't get yer spandex speedo in an uproar .....
simply stated, you just don't know enough about actual navigation to
have the ability to carry on an intelligent discussion on the subject.
BTW, next time you look up "dead reckoning", "ded reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", read the whole definition.
Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the possibilities .......

Tataaa

otn

As per usual, a number of problems with this post.
1. It is in no way a response or related to my post.
2. You are wrong when you say "DR" is never dead on (but that's beyond
your knowledge or experience).
3. I didn't see anywhere, where Jeff introduced "pilotage" in a way to
change the definition.

Sheesh, you do ramble.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
"dead" reckoning is NEVER dead on. It can't be. It is physically impossible.

even guessing for wind and current makes no difference.

now, over the knee, *if* you -- like jeffies before you -- wish to change the
definition to the term to include pilotage, well go ahead. At least you would
be safer should you ever find yourself on the water.


over the knee obviously does not, so let's help out a bit.

Main Entry: de·duce
Pronunciation: di-'düs, dE-; chiefly British -'dyüs
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): de·duced; de·duc·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin deducere, literally, to lead away,

from

de- + ducere to lead �more at TOW
Date: 15th century
1 : to determine by deduction; specifically : to infer from a general

principle

synonym see INFER
- de·duc·ible /-'d(y)ü-s&-b&l/ adjective

You gotta make up your mind, jax. You were talking about "dead
reckoning" before, the term many use when employing time/direction/speed
only.
"deduced reckoning" applies when allowance is made for wind and current
.... something you say is impossible.
Mayhaps you should go back to the books for some further study.

otn