And the marina nuts take advantage of the situation it seems. $1500 to roll on
some bottom paint!
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(SAIL LOCO) said:
The day I can't park at a marina that allows me to work on my own boat is the
day I sell the boat.


Dave wrote:
Not sure I'd go that far, but the issue does create an interesting alignment
of interests between the enviro nuts and marina owners.

Oh yeah, wanting to be careful with hazardous chemicals, especially ones
that are deliberately formulated to kill marine life, is *definitely*
environ-nut-ism.

The sooner we go ahead and destroy the environment, the sooner we we can
quite wasting time & money trying to preserve it... the official
Bush-Cheney policy, right?

DSK

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:38:02 -0400, DSK wrote:

(SAIL LOCO) said:
The day I can't park at a marina that allows me to work on my own boat is the
day I sell the boat.


Dave wrote:
Not sure I'd go that far, but the issue does create an interesting alignment
of interests between the enviro nuts and marina owners.

Oh yeah, wanting to be careful with hazardous chemicals, especially ones
that are deliberately formulated to kill marine life, is *definitely*
environ-nut-ism.

I'll cut them some slack on the environmental issues, because I tend
to worry about the environment myself. Then again, I see these same
guys spraying Imron outside without so much as a mask on and I have to
wonder just how careful they are being. I will say that old Jose, who
paints bottoms day in and day out seems to be well covered up and
protected and I don't envy him that job. I am fairly certain that
their motivation is strictly "captive market/bottom line" oriented.

Frankly, in fresh water, I wonder just how much enviro-nastiness we
really need as all we are really protecting against is slime, and even
the CSC on the bottom of my boat isn't really all that effective
against that.


The sooner we go ahead and destroy the environment, the sooner we we can
quite wasting time & money trying to preserve it... the official
Bush-Cheney policy, right?

DSK

They are not anti-environment. They just don't let it stand in the
way of making a buck.

On 3 Jun 2004 16:12:09 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:21:53 GMT, felton said:

I will say that old Jose, who
paints bottoms day in and day out seems to be well covered up and
protected and I don't envy him that job.

Particularly since under your economic analysis old Jose works for free.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

While you may balk at the idea of doing an honest day's work in the
boatyard, I don't mind it. A day or two working on the bottom of my
boat for something over $1,000 in savings seems like a good deal to
me.

felton wrote:
While you may balk at the idea of doing an honest day's work in the
boatyard, I don't mind it. A day or two working on the bottom of my
boat for something over $1,000 in savings seems like a good deal to
me.

Heck yeah. Of course, you can understand why the guy who otherwise is
going to pocket that $1,000 bucks probably thinks of it as a cost

DSK

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:47:46 GMT,
scribbled thusly:


If you had a boat, and sailed in the LIS, you would know that in these high
traffic areas, the anchoring areas have been taken over for mooring fields,
and
you are subject to arrest if you try to anchor. If you want to anchor, you
will
be a long, long, way from any food or drink. For that matter, many areas now
charge hefty fees by the hour for tying up to a dinghy dock. Been to Port
Jeff
lately? Block Island?

BB

Looks like we're blessed Pete!

Yep. Even in Sydney I could anchor out the front of a friend's place 5
minutes from my house. Down here, I have 2 moorings out the front of my
place and can keep a boat right in the heart of the city for peanuts if
I wanted to.

We're safe from the likes of BB & BS tho. Neither could find us on an
atlas let alone get here in their own boats.

Been blowing 40+ knots recently and ****ing rain in between brilliant
blue skies & sunny patches. Might come north for a bit of extra
sunlight soon, after winter solstice parties are over.

PDW

On 3 Jun 2004 20:01:21 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:48:20 GMT, felton said:

While you may balk at the idea of doing an honest day's work in the
boatyard, I don't mind it. A day or two working on the bottom of my
boat for something over $1,000 in savings seems like a good deal to
me.

I couldn't agree more. Matter of fact that's what I've been doing every
weekend for the last 6 weeks. My point was that your earlier message
suggested that $1500 was gouging because the only cost to the marina
operator was for a couple of gallons of paint. That was a gross distortion.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

No, I was suggesting that $1,500 for applying a couple of gallons of
bottom paint was excessive. I wasn't suggesting that the fair value
of the task was $300, which approximates the cost of the paint.

On 4 Jun 2004 16:22:12 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:16:26 GMT, felton said:

No, I was suggesting that $1,500 for applying a couple of gallons of
bottom paint was excessive.

IOW, that's what you _meant_ to say?


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Jeez louise... Just what was so difficult about..

"They also have had a long-standing prohibition against a boat
owner doing any bottom work, although that may be becoming more common
around the country for environmental reasons. Still it seems a bit of
a gouge to have to pay the $1,500 for a bottom job involving a couple
of gallons on bottom paint. "

Do you really believe the term "bottom job" is vague to anyone in this
group who owns a boat? I specified "a couple of gallons of bottom
paint" to give some idea as to the scope of the work. I am not
talking about a boat that is 80' LOA, I am talking about a 34' boat,
that requires a day or two, start to finish. I am simply pointing out
that I object to being forced to pay what I consider to be an
excessive amount for a relatively simple, unskilled task that most
boat owners undertake year in and year out. For some reason, you
appear to be the defender of practices which most of us conseder to be
"screw jobs". One can only wonder why. All in a day's work?

Oh good grief..... give it up will you! If I got Nick's name wrong is was
an honest mistake.... that does not in any way alter my belief that he
placed himself in harm's way and unfortunately suffered a horrible death.
He's NOT a hero! He's a Victim! Lot's of people die every day in far worse
manners. You seem to be so susceptible to media input as to allow it to
alter your common sense.... typical blind patriotism that got your country
backing a President that had the Bin Ladens as close personal friends and
bank rolling George's Company "Arabusto" only a few years ago.


Really Loco... you can't be that blind as to realize that this entire action
against Irag was just so wrong... at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons
and at your own expense... please tell me you are not that blind.... for
Gawd's sakes man it's a known fact that the Bush and Bin Ladens have been in
"Bed" for years!

Now you claim to be crying "Crocodile Tears" for a person exploiting the
situation????? Get a friggin Grip Man!!


CM

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| I hope you can come up with some more slurs..... watching you vent a
| spleen
| is hilarious... and on and on for five paragraphs of old one
liners.
|
| The only way my face will get red is from laughing at you. And by the
| way... funny you mention the Boob. You and him go together. You have no
| respect for the poor guy who was murdered in Iraq and the Boob made a
| disparaging remark about my mother when she passed away. Two beautiful
people.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Seems to me like you are contesting the title at the moment Loco.... and
winning!

CM

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| Loco isn't just stupid for typing the above. He's also a real asshole.
And I
| aint kidding..
|
| LOL.......... Everybody knows who the asshole is here.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "No shirt, no skirt, full service"