I think what I am going to do this fall is when I have my boat hauled I'm going
to take my Avon down to the marina and put it in my slip. If the owner says
anything like "I had a boat that wanted to spend the winter here" I'm going to
just say I thought it was mine for the year and I plan on doing some rowing
over the winter.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

On 02 Jun 2004 17:52:14 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

Those of us not blessed
with a "legal" background tend to view things in terms of
reasonableness, fairness and equity.

ROFLMAO.................. I can only assume you typed that with your tongue
stuck to your cheek.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Not at all. I just happen to recognize that those concepts are
foreign to those in the legal profession.

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:27:52 -0400, DSK wrote:

felton wrote:
If Haggie is paying for the "use" of the slip for 30 days, then it
seems reasonable that she should have the use of it, to occupy or
allow a friend to temporarily occupy it in her absense. If the marina
is double dipping by charging someone else for time in the slip that
Haggie has paid for, then it seems only equitable that Haggie should
be credited for some/most of the net additional revenue from the
transient "guest".

Yes, very much so. Most marinas I know of have a prohibition against
sub-letting in slip rental/lease agreements. Under one of these, Haggie
could't rent out her slip to transients and pocket the money, but if no
money changes hands....

Then again, we are talking about what makes sense, which, as Lawyer
Dave points out, has nothing to do with legal documents.


... Obviously the slip agreement actually governs what
happens, but it sounds like it was drafted as a greedy "hooray me,
screw you" document.

yep. It's always wise to read the fine print.

The devil is always in the details My marina won't allow outside
workers to work on boats. It is a nice way to develop and maintain a
monopoly. I vaguely recall that they used to assert some right to
collect a commission on boats sold at the marina even if they were not
brokering the sale, but that seems to have disappeared into the mists
of antiquity. The major problem I have is that I sail on a Corps of
Engineers lake, where there is almost no opportunity for a competitor
to open a new facility, while at the same time the Corps has allowed
one individual to essentially capture such a majority of the slips on
the lake that we are captive to his ever increasing rates. Oh well,
what is a publicly owned and funded asset for if not to permit the
public to be fleeced by private interests?



Side note- this kind of contract seems more and more common. A few weeks
ago I went onto a new facility and was told that before we started any
work, we all had to individually sign these "release forms." The
"release forms" turned out to be liability/indemnity contracts wherein
the owner of the facility was not only holding our individual workers
liable for damage to any machinry, but for the whole cost and for lost
operating time as well... also holding us responsible for anything
"missing" while we're on site. Needless to say, I pointed out to the
site engineer that we were already there as the low bidder and this was
rather a stupid way to do business. He agreed that we didn't have to
sign it and we got him back on line.


I don't know how the "personally metered electric" works when a
transient is in the slip. In my case, there is one meter per slip and
I pay for the electric usage. Hopefully Haggie isn't having to pay
for the electricity usage of transients occupying her slip while she
is away while not receiving any credit for the marina's "windfall".

Transients? Shucks, I have to keep an eye out for slip neighbors,
workers, and RVs in the parking lot plugging into our metered electric.


Sounds like Republican policies are behind it

I dunno about Republican, but it greedy & stupid is no way to go through
life (to coin a phrase).

I'll accept that expansion of my description



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

,My marina won't allow outside
workers to work on boats. It is a nice way to develop and maintain a
monopoly.

Do they have experts on the payroll for anything that might come up. Many
marinas have a bunch of min. wage bottom scrubbers that "learn" fiberglass
repair, electrical work, etc. on your boat.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

On 2 Jun 2004 15:31:04 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:10:44 GMT, felton said:

I am not surprised that you view it that way. Those of us not blessed
with a "legal" background tend to view things in terms of
reasonableness, fairness and equity. It would seem obvious that
Haggie's slip agreement was a one-sided document ignoring those basics
tenets,

As I said in an earlier post, I'm not persuaded that there is any "right"
answer to the question in terms of fairness. Your conclusion is that it's
fairer for all the slip users, including those who are never gone, to bear
the cost of remitting the rental to the person holding the slip. Maybe, but
I don't see why. One thing you can be sure of--it ain't gonna be the marina
operator who bears the cost. Not if he intends to stay in business.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Can anyone else take pity on me and explain what "cost" Dave is
referring to?

On 02 Jun 2004 20:09:51 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

,My marina won't allow outside
workers to work on boats. It is a nice way to develop and maintain a
monopoly.

Do they have experts on the payroll for anything that might come up. Many
marinas have a bunch of min. wage bottom scrubbers that "learn" fiberglass
repair, electrical work, etc. on your boat.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

My marina does and I am currently content with the quality of their
work, but that is more a function that the current service manager is
unusally dedicated and fair minded. He is the historical exception,
though. They also have had a long-standing prohibition against a boat
owner doing any bottom work, although that may be becoming more common
around the country for environmental reasons. Still it seems a bit of
a gouge to have to pay the $1,500 for a bottom job involving a couple
of gallons on bottom paint.

Dave said: I went to one earlier this year where there was not only a band
for the
dance floor, but a sting quintet playing before the ceremony and in the
dining room during dinner. The bride's poor parents had only a few million,
but I understand the groom's billionaire parents were paying a good part of
the freight.

It's ok if you've gotrocks, but most of us haven't...so rather than having a
bunch of 3rd chair violinists from the local junior college squawking out
Bach, much better to pay for a fun accordion band and at least get your
money's worth sweating on the dance floor....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"SAIL LOCO" wrote:
I'm hauling out next week. Maybe you missed my post about the $60 per
night
transient rate Allsopp wants?
If you feel like dealing with him I'll ask him and e-mail you.

Don't bother. $60 to park a 30' boat that requires no elect. overnight
is
nuts.

And therein lies one of my peeves!

Seahag

On 2 Jun 2004 17:35:04 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:43:02 GMT, felton said:

Can anyone else take pity on me and explain what "cost" Dave is
referring to?



Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

That made no sense to me the first time, but hey, I have only been a
CPA for 30 years.

On 2 Jun 2004 17:42:08 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:50:02 GMT, felton said:

it seems a bit of
a gouge to have to pay the $1,500 for a bottom job involving a couple
of gallons on bottom paint.

If you do it yourself, how many hours do you spend in sanding and other
bottom prep before starting to put on the paint? How long to put on the
paint?

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

One to two days, start to finish at a leisurely pace.

Does anyone else get the impression that Dave owns a marina?