Haggie said: Huh????? I pay "X" dollars a month. I'm gonna be out of 'My'
slip for 4
days

Here's the problem: It is not "your" slip. Their take is that it is THEIR
slip and they are letting you use it for X amount of dollars.....You being
there is through the grace of God and their benevolence....So when you're
not there, they feel they have the right to "use" their slip....that's the
current philosophy around here, at any rate...

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Ours, too.

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MC implied:
Doug would not agree...

Yes, he would...and I bet he knows how to do the Chicken Dance, too...
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On 2 Jun 2004 09:52:12 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:37:36 -0400, "Seahag" said:

Huh????? I pay "X" dollars a month. I'm gonna be out of 'My' slip for 4
days. I would like a friend to use it for 2 days. I'm on personally
metered electric. Where do there "costs" to the landlord come in??

He currently isn't paying you for those 2 days. If he has to pay you for the
two days, that's a cost in anybody's book. If he has no transient to occupy
the slip, there's no cost. If he does have a transient to occupy the slip,
the loss of what he'd get, is a cost. In an accounting sense, I suppose,
it's booked as lower revenue rather than increased expense, but the effect
on his bottom line is the same.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

If Haggie is paying for the "use" of the slip for 30 days, then it
seems reasonable that she should have the use of it, to occupy or
allow a friend to temporarily occupy it in her absense. If the marina
is double dipping by charging someone else for time in the slip that
Haggie has paid for, then it seems only equitable that Haggie should
be credited for some/most of the net additional revenue from the
transient "guest". Obviously the slip agreement actually governs what
happens, but it sounds like it was drafted as a greedy "hooray me,
screw you" document.

I don't know how the "personally metered electric" works when a
transient is in the slip. In my case, there is one meter per slip and
I pay for the electric usage. Hopefully Haggie isn't having to pay
for the electricity usage of transients occupying her slip while she
is away while not receiving any credit for the marina's "windfall".

Sounds like Republican policies are behind it

felton wrote:
If Haggie is paying for the "use" of the slip for 30 days, then it
seems reasonable that she should have the use of it, to occupy or
allow a friend to temporarily occupy it in her absense. If the marina
is double dipping by charging someone else for time in the slip that
Haggie has paid for, then it seems only equitable that Haggie should
be credited for some/most of the net additional revenue from the
transient "guest".

Yes, very much so. Most marinas I know of have a prohibition against
sub-letting in slip rental/lease agreements. Under one of these, Haggie
could't rent out her slip to transients and pocket the money, but if no
money changes hands....



... Obviously the slip agreement actually governs what
happens, but it sounds like it was drafted as a greedy "hooray me,
screw you" document.

yep. It's always wise to read the fine print.

Side note- this kind of contract seems more and more common. A few weeks
ago I went onto a new facility and was told that before we started any
work, we all had to individually sign these "release forms." The
"release forms" turned out to be liability/indemnity contracts wherein
the owner of the facility was not only holding our individual workers
liable for damage to any machinry, but for the whole cost and for lost
operating time as well... also holding us responsible for anything
"missing" while we're on site. Needless to say, I pointed out to the
site engineer that we were already there as the low bidder and this was
rather a stupid way to do business. He agreed that we didn't have to
sign it and we got him back on line.


I don't know how the "personally metered electric" works when a
transient is in the slip. In my case, there is one meter per slip and
I pay for the electric usage. Hopefully Haggie isn't having to pay
for the electricity usage of transients occupying her slip while she
is away while not receiving any credit for the marina's "windfall".

Transients? Shucks, I have to keep an eye out for slip neighbors,
workers, and RVs in the parking lot plugging into our metered electric.


Sounds like Republican policies are behind it

I dunno about Republican, but it greedy & stupid is no way to go through
life (to coin a phrase).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"SAIL LOCO" wrote:
Huh????? I pay "X" dollars a month. I'm gonna be out of 'My' slip
for 4
days. I would like a friend to use it for 2 days.

So when are you comming out of the water and have you found a friend yet?

I'm hauling out next week. Maybe you missed my post about the $60 per night
transient rate Allsopp wants?
If you feel like dealing with him I'll ask him and e-mail you.

Seahag

"DSK" wrote:.
felton wrote:

I don't know how the "personally metered electric" works when a
transient is in the slip. In my case, there is one meter per slip and
I pay for the electric usage. Hopefully Haggie isn't having to pay
for the electricity usage of transients occupying her slip while she
is away while not receiving any credit for the marina's "windfall".

Transients? Shucks, I have to keep an eye out for slip neighbors,
workers, and RVs in the parking lot plugging into our metered electric.

We turn off the breaker and lock the box. When we had the wooden boat we
were never sure how long we'd be gone so we kept it vague..."we'll be back
next week...". If he ever did rent the slip I never saw a dime of it and
paid my monthly rent just the same.

Seahag

On 2 Jun 2004 11:52:13 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:27:52 -0400, DSK said:

If Haggie is paying for the "use" of the slip for 30 days, then it
seems reasonable that she should have the use of it, to occupy or
allow a friend to temporarily occupy it in her absense.

The easiest way to get the desired answer to a question is to assume the
answer in posing the question. She's paying for whatever the contract says
she's paying for. Unless the contract's poorly drafted, it will probably say
she's paying for being allowed to use the slip for docking a specific
vessel. Of course both she and the marina owner are presumably consenting
adults, and if they want to provide that she's paying for being allowed to
use the slip to dock whatever vessel she wants in there, the answer would be
different.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

I am not surprised that you view it that way. Those of us not blessed
with a "legal" background tend to view things in terms of
reasonableness, fairness and equity. It would seem obvious that
Haggie's slip agreement was a one-sided document ignoring those basics
tenets, which may be a delight to someone in your profession, but
which ultimately leads most of the rest of us to view your profession
with disdain. For you to assume that if Haggie's slip is not
continually "double booked" it is somehow a "cost" to marina is
interesting in an absurd sort of way. Hopefully Haggie is not also
paying for "time on the hard" if it is at the same marina, or that
really would be adding insult to injury.

As I sail on a lake where we have no real issue with transients, this
is not an issue for me at this time. I have heard that there are at
least two lawsuits threatened or ongoing at my marina relating to the
prohibition of outside labor and the overbilling for electricity. I
guess we will see where that goes.

I'm hauling out next week. Maybe you missed my post about the $60 per night
transient rate Allsopp wants?
If you feel like dealing with him I'll ask him and e-mail you.

Don't bother. $60 to park a 30' boat that requires no elect. overnight is
nuts. I only pay $1.50 at Osprey Point in Rock Hall. A beautiful marina.
I thought it was yours and you could do what you wanted. Your right, I
missed your post.
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Those of us not blessed
with a "legal" background tend to view things in terms of
reasonableness, fairness and equity.

ROFLMAO.................. I can only assume you typed that with your tongue
stuck to your cheek.
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