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No Joe.... if he did that he would have proved he wasn't as powerful as the
populace thought he was..... then he would have been in the same situation
as the USA is now in Irag.

Powerless and under attack!!!!

CM

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
| (Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
| Tell me of anything that begin to exist without a cause boobsie.
|
| And do not be unreasonable.
|
| Joe
|
| The war in Iraq
|
| Please read UN res.141
|
| Sheeeeeze, . All Saddam had to do to prevent war was to dis-arm.
| Regardless of how many of his own people he was chopping apart and
| torturing
| all he had to do was allow the inspector to inspect and prove he
| dis-armed.
|
|
| He chose not to. That was the cause. He had Sarin as proved last week
| a nasty WMD and he had mustard gas and Im sure we will find many more
| WMD in time.
|
| Guess your goin to say Oh its just a little bit of sarin.
| Well the UN said he could have NONE. Not a little. None- Zero- Zip-
| Zilch- nadda
|
| GOT IT?
|
| Try another.
|
|
|
| Yeah! And how about Kathy Lee Gifford?
|
|
| Typical BS BS.
|
|
| RB

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote:

Oh Good Grief.... I can't be bothered reading the entire debate...... so

Debate? Where? I thought was the makings of a food fight! hehee

I'll just side with the Lady Pilot on this one! ;-D

Thanks. Which side would you prefer? ;-)

Damn this bunk is darned chilly........ not meaning to change the
subject, but I understand one can at times.... get something soft, silken
and feminine to help warm the berth. Man would that be choice!

The temperature changes from how hot it is here, and how cold it is
there...would be like throwing very cold meat on a hot sizzling grill! ;-D

KO

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wrote in message
| The U.N. did not agree to the U.S. attacking Iraq. They still don't agree
with
| it. The war in Iraq began to exist without a cause.

The cause is very evident...... it's just that you are too blinded by your
patriotic haze to focus on it.

I'm certain you have become comfortable with your global situation.......
bent over the log of world opinion and being sodomized by the corporations
that have you hog tied and greased in the oil you require to operate.......
dont cha love the price of gasoline these days Billy Boy???

Do you salute the flag at every fill up?? Bwahahahahahahahhahaaaa


CM

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"Horvath" wrote:

I don't think wearing the underwear you bought at Victoria's Secret
will keep you warm.

No, silly! Those are for my birthday in June! g

LP

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| McDonalds has sold far more hamburgers than anyone else. They must be
| the best hamburgers ever made.
|
|
| Godamn, those are good burgers! Christ almighty, the fries aint bad
neither!

Fried in "OIL" ain't they????? Bwahahhahahahahaaaa


CM

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"Joe" wrote in message

| Time in this universe has a beginning and an end.

Prove it.......

CM

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"Donal" wrote in message
| My point is that we could NOT have evolved into our current state in the
| time available.

The facts seem to contest that Donal......

BTW - what exactly is "our current state"????

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
| What you fail to release is that evolution has probably slowed due to a
general
| geological stabilization over millions of years.

Pardon Me????? are you tying evolution to geological time lines???? What
the heck has that got to do with it??? Geological timelines are subject to
input all right.... but not subject to output.
Geological timelines are records.... not reasons or causes.

Do try to grasp some clue about things before you start trying to sound
worldly and informed.





It MAY have moved at a faster
| rate and all indications are this is exactly what happened.

Say WHAT???? Timelines don't move.... they are merely a record of
activity. Your assumption is out to lunch!

CM


| No big bearded gods need apply.
|
| RB

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wrote in message

| Many creationists believe (or have faith) that the earth is no more that 6
| thousand years old.

Many sailors believe ( or have faith) that they actually have a point of
view that has merit..... in your case it's a mistake!

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
|
| Many creationists believe (or have faith) that the earth is no more that 6
| thousand years old.
|
| Holy fenders on deck, Batman! That's just crazy!

No Bob.... what's crazy is that you actually trained Billy from wild dog to
lap dog in less than 6 months..... CRAZY MAN!

CM

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wrote in message
| Now you're starting to get the picture...

Oh we got the picture Billy........ you at heel leaning on Bob's calf
hoping to get humped when you come into heat.

CM

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"Horvath" wrote in message
| I don't know what bible you are reading. In the King James Version,
| there's no person named, "Lilith." And it's pretty obvious that Adam
| and Eve were created by God.

Ha Ha ha ha Ha....... and thus spoketh the man with breasts!

CM

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"Donal" wrote in message

| If you want to disagree with me, then you should have the balls to put
| forward your own beliefs.

I believe in the wind..... I believe in the scent of frangipani on a
tropical night.... I believe I can lift that damned boulder if I just apply
more effort.... I believe you should not take more than you can use.... I
believe everyone will act in a just and honest manner if given the
opportunity to do so.... I believe in the innocence and freedom of
children... I believe in the right of free expression... I believe bears
really do like honey.... I believe it's beyond the bee's ability to
understand why they do.

Capt. Mooron

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| ... than to formulate a real opinion.
|
| What, exactly, is a "real opinion", Donal?
|
| In this case and in absence of real data, the real opinion is some sort of
| fairy tail. Can't explain the thunder? No problem, it's Thor.


.... so in effect you don't have an explanation either and you claim it's not
Thor???

Bob.... it's Thor alright! That you can bank on!

CM

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wrote in message
| Well... Donal is proof that Darwin wasn't completely correct.

That assumption could only be verified if it was proven you had no offspring
that survived Bill.

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| fairy tail. Can't explain the thunder? No problem, it's Thor.
|
| RB
|
| Well... Donal is proof that Darwin wasn't completely correct.
|
| Mutations can exist on a downward spiral, and like the Dodo, Donal is
obviously
| a failed mutation.

So..... overweight, unattractive specimens that haven't a chance to survive
without parental nurturing and extended support don't count in your
estimate?

CM

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"Donal" wrote in message
| Correct! I am arrogant.
|
| You are a bit arrogant too, aren't you?

I always thought that was a positive character trait..... ;-)

CM

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"Wally" wrote in message
| I don't see how the notion that god created the universe can be arrived at
| by scientific means - how that can be an 'inescapable conclusion'. There
is
| no presentable, sharable evidence that supports the contention that god
| exists, or ever has. Without evidence for god, the argument's busted -
it's
| no more scientific than an untested hypothesis.

Wally..... I know for a fact that everytime you create any art..... it's
proof that a "God" exists.

You know that as well as I do...... don't dissect.... direct. The whole of
the entity is within you... not without you.

CM

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"Donal" wrote in message

| 1) God created it.
| 2) It is endlessly expanding and contracting
| 3) It was created in a single event which resulted in equal amounts of
| "matter" and "anti-matter".

You're guessing aren't you....??? ;-)

CM

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"Wally" wrote in message

| Not at all.

Don't treat arrogance as a disability.... it's a positive character trait
when tempered with reason.

CM

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"katysails" wrote in message
...
| MC insisted: Don't be modest, that's my province!
|
| Heaven help we should have two modest men posting here! There won't be
room
| enough on the floor with all that lying about...

Modesty is a misinterpretation of conviction at best...... and a diversion
from passion at worst.

CM

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In your case you probably missed the sign......

CM

"Navigator" wrote in message
...
| Hey! At least it's not wet paint!
|
| Cheers
|
| katysails wrote:
|
| MC insisted: Don't be modest, that's my province!
|
| Heaven help we should have two modest men posting here! There won't be
room
| enough on the floor with all that lying about...
|
|

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"Donal" wrote in message
| I've read the links. However I don't see how they are at odds with the
| concept of my third option.
|
| 3) It was created in a single event which resulted in equal amounts of
| "matter" and "anti-matter".
|
|
|
| Do you think that there is a fourth option?

Yup.... you could be the result of a drunken grope fest in a Morris Mini
Minor on a Grad night that resulted in an unwanted pregnancy.......

Either way... I'm happy to see you made it this far Donal! ;-)

CM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Is there some reason why we care? Take your religious BULL**** somewhere
| else.

WOW Jon.... that was ... like.... so DEEP!

CM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Converted to what?

A light bulb???? ;-)

CM

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"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Navigator" wrote in message
| Are you a racist?
|
| Probably! I suspect that we all are.... to a certain extent.

Belgians are the superior genetically enhanced beings on this planet....
deal with it!

CM

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
| Donal wrote:

| You said...
|
| 1. Nuclear radiation is fatal.

Life is Fatal.....

CM

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

Wally..... I know for a fact that everytime you create any art.....
it's proof that a "God" exists.

I think it all rather depends on what one means by "god". Having suggested
that the true nature of the universe is unknown, I could say that "god" is
just another word for "whatever is really going on - the hidden machinations
of the universe". Personally, I don't feel a need to call that god - I
prefer to call the wonder of the universe, the wonder of the universe. To
me, there are meanings for the word "god" that have a bunch of connotations
that I don't particularly agree with, like the all-seeing, all-powerful,
good guy creator - like some sort of super-human father figure. That stuff
steps a little too far towards man making god in his own image.


You know that as well as I do...... don't dissect.... direct. The
whole of the entity is within you... not without you.

I have never considered creating art to have anything to do with god. I will
say that my best efforts (in music rather than painting) happen when there
is no thought or plan. There have been times when I've been so involved in
listening and responding to a piece of music, that I've been completely
unaware that I was playing it while I was listening. I'm a conduit - the
tunes I 'write' are already there, and all I'm doing is making them
tangible. As for where or what 'there' is, I prefer 'unknown' to 'god'.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

Not at all.

Don't treat arrogance as a disability.... it's a positive character
trait when tempered with reason.

I try not to be arrogant unless I'm also right.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

1. Nuclear radiation is fatal.

Life is Fatal.....

It sure is. The only fact of life is death.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message

| Thanks. Which side would you prefer? ;-)

How about I start on the one you offer and work my way around? :-)

| The temperature changes from how hot it is here, and how cold it is
| there...would be like throwing very cold meat on a hot sizzling grill!
;-D

Oh no Darlin'..... more like throwin' a hot sizzling girl on ........
never mind now!

Actually nothing here is cold..... and if it approaches that temperature we
have our ways of heating things up. There is nothing like sleeping on a
boat.... the soft motion of the vessel combined with the rhythmic lapping of
the sea..... it's paradise! Total submission to relaxation and an
understanding of the priorities in life.

CM

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message

| No, silly! Those are for my birthday in June! g

Gemini???

Say hello to the Lion!

CM

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wrote in message
| I think you are more than slightly mixed up. I am against the war in Iraq.
I
| think the president of the U.S. is a toady for the oil companies, and
hasn't
| uttered a truthful word about the "war on terror", which is altogether a
big
| sham. We had Russian Nukes pointed at us for 40 years, and we didn't need
a
| "Patriot Act", or a department of homeland security or any of this other
| nonsense to deal with it.

Glad to hear that Bill..... although I have the utmost respect for my
American brothers..... this situation in Irag has me concerned. I'm having
visions of a second Vietnam. You don't need this now.

I used to enjoy travelling the USA.... I don't even bother now.... it's just
way too problematic.

CM

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"Wally" wrote in message

| After studying the claims of those who have faith, I don't believe that
god
| exists. So much for their arguments.

Wally..... you make an argument for the existence of a God every time you
create art.

..... just like a thousand Gannets that dive from a hundred feet in the air
to skewer their meal. Complexity and Simplicity conjoined.....

Like the peace that slowly envelopes you at the setting of the sun...... or
the calm excitement of a sunrise.... explainable? Yes... describable?...
barely! Enjoyable... certainly!

You cannot in good conscience experience all that I have and state that
there is no higher guiding spiritual force at work!!!

Call it God, call her Gwai .... I don't care...... I feel it every day of
my life.

CM

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"Wally" wrote in message

| What on earth are you slavering about? He who makes the claim has to back
it
| up.

H-m-m-m-m-mm.... consider that statement Wally

If I claim that the moon is made of green cheese, is the onus on you to
| run around trying to disprove it, or would it be valid for you to respond
| with something like, "Yeah, sure it is, Wally - prove it!"?

Wally if you believe that statement why should I interfere with your
beliefs?


If I claim that
| Captain Crunch sails a ship made of cornflakes on an ocean of milk, is the
| onus on you to painstakingly search the entire universe, draw a blank, and
| thereby disprove my assertion??

I've actually taken such a passage with Capt. Crunch, Seadog Brunhilda and
the crew on mornings while smoking a blunt of excellent BC bud.... are you
telling me I wasn't there?

|
| You say god made made the universe?
|
| Prove it!

I don't know who made it .... but he should be given a major holiday and
recognition.



| To sit here on our silly little speck of dust for a whole second, and then
| try to state categorically - to draw an "inescapable conclusion" with
regard
| to - how the universe came to exist is stupefyingly pointless. Not only do
| we know next to bugger all, we don't even know if we really *do* know next
| to bugger all!

I know bears like honey and bees will never know why....

CM

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Pardon Me????? are you tying evolution to geological time lines???? What
the heck has that got to do with it??


Wow, Mooron. If you honestly don't know about this, then you can't know much.
It's well accepted that periods of geologocal instability created larges fluxes
in atmospheric conditions and effected sharp mutation ranges. That's what the
whole asteroid theory is about fer cripes sake. Meanwhile, it's also common
knowledge that we've been in a stable period and adaptation curves have been
less steep. If you live in a regulated environment, evolution/adaptation slows.
Pretty basic and the 1st thing I learned when studying the subject.

RB

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

Wally..... you make an argument for the existence of a God every time
you create art.

No, I make a piece of art. The idea that creation of art is an argument for
the existence of god assumes that god has something to do with the creation
of art in the first place - it doesn't argue for his existence, it
presupposes it. I'm sorry, but I just don't think like that. I prefer to
understand it in terms of what's *given* - I engage in the creative process,
and something 'artistic' results.


...
You cannot in good conscience experience all that I have and state
that there is no higher guiding spiritual force at work!!! ...

With respect, you have no idea what I've experienced other than what I've
divulged here (and elsewhere online). I think the world/universe is a
wonderful, fabulous thing, but I prefer to not postulate an entity or force
that is 'guiding' or 'spritual' to account for it, or my experience of it.
Too worldly.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Wally..... you make an argument for the existence of a God every time
you create art.

Creativity is how god came to be...out of the mind and imagination...and fears
of man.

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| Wow, Mooron. If you honestly don't know about this, then you can't know
much.

Bob you are talking about a subject matter well below your station ....
never mind your comprehension level.. Understand this.... GEOTECHNICAL

I have a better comprehension of geotectonic plate movement, subjunction and
geotechnical plate movement than you could fathom

| It's well accepted that periods of geological instability created larges
fluxes
| in atmospheric conditions and effected sharp mutation ranges.

WRONG!!!........ as usual..... you're inept in your comprehension of
geological ages and geological time lines.

That's what the
| whole asteroid theory is about fer cripes sake.

You have limited comprehension of particulate displacement and the meteor
theory... much like your cognitive reasoning of the existence of a "God"....


Meanwhile, it's also common

Nothing is common Knowledge Bob

| knowledge that we've been in a stable period and adaptation curves have
been
| less steep.

What type of physocobabblerap are you inferring here Bob?

If you live in a regulated environment, evolution/adaptation slows.

Please point out more obvious clues for us.... damn but you are becoming
the benchmark for idiocy!


| Pretty basic and the 1st thing I learned when studying the subject.

You didn't learn anything......


CM

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"Wally" wrote in message

| I try not to be arrogant unless I'm also right.

That's simply defeatist.... be arrogant when you are wrong..... make the
buggers work for their victory! ;-D

CM