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Boobsie,
The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning. Nope. Got a video of it? RB |
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It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a
cause. No, not unreasonable...just very difficult. RB |
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The universe therefore requires a cause.
Correct? Then so does your "god." Saying he exists outside of time is just something you made up. Pretty silly, Josie! RB |
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Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole
universe, he is the creator of time. I read that he created the heaven and earth, but not time. Then again, I remember Dune much better than the Bible. Better book. RB |
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Donal wrote:
You "imagined" an unfortunate 12y/o girl in your attempt to prove that God sidn't exist. There is no onus on him to prove that god doesn't exist. In fact, he's already declared that he's agnostic - why would he seek to substantiate a proposition that he hasn't asserted? The claim that stands to be proven is that goes does exist, and the onus is on the believers to prove their claim. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Many creationists believe (or have faith) that the earth is no more that 6 thousand years old. Holy fenders on deck, Batman! That's just crazy! RB |
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Does it have to be a divine cause?
Believe me, Bill. The primary reason for a belief in god is the simple fear of death. Religion promises heaven and eternal existance. Roughly what was promised to the terrorists on the 9/11 planes. RB |
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MC stated:
Nice fence you've got there Kook! It's not a fence...it's not something that you have to take a side about since both sides can be explained if you use reason and understand the use of allegory as a teaching instrument.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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BB stated:
Many creationists believe (or have faith) that the earth is no more that 6 thousand years old. Well, they don't belief in flush toilets, either.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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MC insisted: Don't be modest, that's my province!
Heaven help we should have two modest men posting here! There won't be room enough on the floor with all that lying about... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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katysails wrote: MC stated: Nice fence you've got there Kook! It's not a fence...it's not something that you have to take a side about since both sides can be explained if you use reason and understand the use of allegory as a teaching instrument.... Is that like blood everywhere? Cheers |
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Hey! At least it's not wet paint!
Cheers katysails wrote: MC insisted: Don't be modest, that's my province! Heaven help we should have two modest men posting here! There won't be room enough on the floor with all that lying about... |
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Is that like blood everywhere?
huh? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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The amount of energy available for work is running out, or
entropy is increasing to a maximum. To a maximum of WHAT, Josie? You simply can't comprehend that you have no answer. No one does...least of all religious folk. Go pray to a Volcano. At least it's real. RB |
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1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
That's not a law, dopey. Since the universe has no known limits and white & black holes are feed points, there's every reason to suspect that energy is NOT constant. You're operating on 1980 Omni magazine articles for your lame guesses. Give it up, Josie. RB |
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What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created! Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. We (Adam and Lillith) may well have been created by the process we call evolution. According to the Bible Eve was cloned. |
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Tell me of anything that begin to exist without a cause boobsie.
And do not be unreasonable. Josie, you simply don't get it. Perhaps, like many folks, your mind refuses what it can't comprehend. You seek "cause" for existence. You seek action and reaction. And you have, along with many other ignorant people, created a magical force behind it all, because you don't have the true answer. That's fine, if somewhat limiting. We each inhabit our own small worlds, but I see that yours is unusually small indeed. RB |
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And do not be unreasonable.
Because the idea of a god IS reasonable? LOL!!! A belief that the universe was sneezed out by a giant marine toad is actually more reasonable. I've seen a marine toad. See for yourself, Josie...proof at last! http://hoglezoo.org/animal.photos/gi...rine.toad1.jpg RB |
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"Joe" wrote
The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning. .... Correct? No! There have been and will be many universes cut from the same cloth. Moreover, time is not necessarily linear. Only segments of time have a beginning and an end. It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause. ... Correct? No, wrong again. MOST things begin to exist randomly, with no cause in the sense that you use the word here. The universe therefore requires a cause. ... Correct? No, because your thesis is wrong. Which universe are you talking about? Einstein's theory of general relativity shows that time is linked to matter and space. .... Einstein's theory is a useful tool but does not and cannot describe the real universe. It cannot because the mathmatics used cannot deal with infinity and the universe, or rather universes, are infinite. I can demo that 2=1 in our math so .... God, as creator of time, is outside of time. .... That might apply to the Taoist abstraction hardly to the "god" Jews, Christians and Muslims believe Abraham encountered (Gen 18) hoofing across the desert at high noon on his way to check out rumors. |
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Not Silly Boobsie. And Einstien figured it out not me. I know it's to
much for your closed mind to accept but it is fact. Poor Josie. It's getting rather sad. Einstein's THEORY was is just that. It's taught as a theory and defined as such. It's not a "fact." What's hurting you from making any valid points in this discussion is your general lack of info and a poor command of language. 5 points for your effort though. RB |
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We know time travel is possiable if we can go faster than light.
No, we don't know this at all. It's just a theory and taught as such in any physics class....which you clearly never took let alone passed. I'm not hitting Josie, folks....he's doing it to himself! RB |
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My point is that we could NOT have evolved into our current state in the time available. Well then perhaps we came from Mars. That's more logical than the myth found in the Book of Moses. |
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Dune was a good book, but the bible is the best seller ever.
Actually, many books have outsold the bible in the same time frame. The Bible has been out a long, long time which is it's only claim on the BSL. Oh boy, Josie. You've come up empty on every point. It's like a massacre! By now you should have been right about SOMETHING! You defy the odds. RB |
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Einstien came up with the theory not me boobsie.
Oh...now it's a theory? I thought it was "fact?" Uh oh! RB |
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Well then perhaps we came from Mars.
Shhhh! That's where Donal came from. On Mars Beneteau is thought to be a good boat builder...and the martians also drive Kia's. RB |
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Tell me of anything that begin to exist without a cause boobsie.
And do not be unreasonable. Joe The war in Iraq Yeah! And how about Kathy Lee Gifford? RB |
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McDonalds has sold far more hamburgers than anyone else. They must be
the best hamburgers ever made. Godamn, those are good burgers! Christ almighty, the fries aint bad neither! RB |
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Boobsie we have flown atomic clocks on supersonic aircraft and they
run slower. Its a fact. Not some obscure article printed in an old copy of Omni magazine, BTW one of my favorate mags. This does not prove that time travel is possible for cripes sake. The idea of propelling a human back or forward through time is nothing but an idea and lightspeed does in allow "travel" through time, but only slows it. NASA makes no such statement about time travel of course! Josie's head is in a vise of bad facts. I think you must have been reading Starlog magazine! Or was it Famous Monsters of Filmland? RB |
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And do not be unreasonable.
Just as I figured! You cant can you?. Just about ANYTHING is more reasonable than a supreme superbeing. I just posted a pic of the Marine Toad to prove it. Face it, Josie. You need a god, plain and simple. Perhaps your god can help you spell? Hmmmmm, maybe not. RB |
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http://hoglezoo.org/animal.photos/gi...rine.toad1.jpg
Leave your mother out of it boobsie! Uh oh, Josie's getting pretty frustrated! Look out! He should have more respect for the Supreme Marine Toad that sneezed him into this little universe, especially after I allowed him to see it. RB |
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All very interesting, but how does this prove time-travel is possible. Clearly,
we are all time travelers, but we can only move in one direction. Special Relatively, proven for a long time, shows us that we can vary that rate somewhat, but the concept is only truly meaningful if we can go back in time. "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... We know time travel is possiable if we can go faster than light. No, we don't know this at all. It's just a theory and taught as such in any physics class....which you clearly never took let alone passed. I'm not hitting Josie, folks....he's doing it to himself! RB It's been proven, and will be proven again next month boobie. After many years of planning, design, testing and delays, NASA's Gravity Probe B mission is slated to launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California on Monday April 19, 2004 at 12:01 pm Central time. This revolutionary mission, with Stanford University as prime contractor, has been designed to test two cornerstone effects of Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. The mission is managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and it has had a long and rocky road to travel before it ever was to be mounted on its Delta II booster on the launch pad. The Gravity Probe B (GP-B) mission, once it reaches its 400-mile high polar orbit, will be used to measure how space and time are warped by the presence of the Earth. The GP-B mission is the culmination of one of the greatest technical challenges ever undertaken in the history of space exploration and has been decades in the making. In 1959, physicists at Stanford University first proposed launching a satellite to test relativity. In 1964, NASA and the Department of Defense started funding the development of key technologies to make this mission possible. In 1976, the Gravity Probe A was launched on a nearly 2-hour flight from Wallops Island, VA and used a MASER atomic clock to demonstrate that time changed as it rose to weaker levels of gravity. The GP-A returned valuable data as it rose to 6200 miles above the Earth and then plummeted into the Atlantic Ocean. This set the stage for the more ambitious GP-B mission, which was first defined in 1982, with the basic design of the instrumentation from that study the same 22 years later. The GP-B instrument assembly, which was developed by Stanford University, consists of a block of fused quartz containing four ultra precise gyroscopes and a lead proof mass all bonded to a fused quartz telescope. This telescope will be trained on the steady guide star IM Pegasi for the duration of the mission and will be the calibration standard for the gyroscopes. The instrument package is housed in a giant thermos bottle, called a dewar, containing 613 gallons of superfluid, super cold liquid helium that will keep the package cooled to 2 degrees above absolute zero (minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit) for the duration of the mission. The gyroscopes are the size of Ping-Pong balls and made from fused quartz. A coating of niobium allows the gyroscopes to become superconductors at the dewar temperatures and enables them to be levitated and spun at 10,000 rpm. This super cooled instrument assembly sits inside a vacuum bottle at a pressure that is 10 times lower than the pressure outside the spacecraft in the near vacuum of Earth orbit. This allows for the gyroscopes to be maintained in an environment that will not disturb their operation and will be so perfect that they will be able to measure the Earth's effect on them. Super sensitive magnetometers will be able to measure the gyroscopes spin and orientation and any changes they might feel. Boobsie we have flown atomic clocks on supersonic aircraft and they run slower. Its a fact. Not some obscure article printed in an old copy of Omni magazine, BTW one of my favorate mags. Im not slapping boobsie folks, he slappin himself. No wonder his forehead is so flat. Joe |
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"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning. ... Correct? No! There have been and will be many universes cut from the same cloth. Moreover, time is not necessarily linear. Only segments of time have a beginning and an end. Time in this universe has a beginning and an end. It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause. ... Correct? No, wrong again. MOST things begin to exist randomly, with no cause in the sense that you use the word here. Name one thing. The universe therefore requires a cause. ... Correct? No, because your thesis is wrong. Which universe are you talking about? The universe I live in. What universe are you from Veto? Einstein's theory of general relativity shows that time is linked to matter and space. .... Einstein's theory is a useful tool but does not and cannot describe the real universe. It cannot because the mathmatics used cannot deal with infinity and the universe, or rather universes, are infinite. We do not know that. I can demo that 2=1 in our math so .... God, as creator of time, is outside of time. .... That might apply to the Taoist abstraction hardly to the "god" Jews, Christians and Muslims believe Abraham encountered (Gen 18) hoofing across the desert at high noon on his way to check out rumors. Your quoteing something out of a book written by men. Do you really think god would hoof across any desert at High Noon. Since he created time he would pick and chose the time, 7-8 am would be my guess. Joe |
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