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3) It was created in a single event which resulted in equal amounts of
"matter" and "anti-matter".

Are you talking about god or Gene Rodenberry? Does the bible mention anything
about warp drive? I know it tries to take credit for everything.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

People once believed with all certainly that the world was
flat, just as you believe in a mythical being, just as some folks
believe in ghosts.

I would include faith in the truth of the causality hypothesis. Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Let me guess! You are sooooo shallow that you don't subscribe to any
of the above theories???

Tsk, tsk.

Wally, I'm impressed. Quite a reasonable response, but faith does not allow
reason.

RB

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Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.

I have no faith in anything, Wally. It's a dangerous term. But then you could
say I have faith in my lack of faith.
You'll note that I'm attacking Donal's belief system, but not Donal. He, on the
other hand, attacks me. As I pointed out, reigious folk tend to seek out a
dangerous and hurtful position.

RB

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

I have no faith in anything, Wally. It's a dangerous term. But then
you could say I have faith in my lack of faith.

I can go with what you're saying - I see the causality hypothesis as a
description with a high level of consistency with observation. Use of it
amounts to little more than a gamble.


You'll note that I'm attacking Donal's belief system, but not Donal.
He, on the other hand, attacks me. As I pointed out, reigious folk
tend to seek out a dangerous and hurtful position.

My allusion in my previous post was that, whatever one has faith in, having
that faith would seem a personal or individual thing, such that trying to
get someone else to share that faith is a pointless excercise unless they're
already so disposed.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Wally wrote:
Donal wrote:


How did the Universe come into existence?


I have never heard any answer to that question that isn't predicated on
assumption.



Faith is the only option that is available to the enquiring mind.


Agreed - faith that whatever assumptions one makes are true.



If your small mind is capable of considering the origins of the
Universe, then you will realise that there are only three options.

1) God created it.


Not only does this presuppose that there was a god to do the creating, it
begs the quesiton of how he came into existence. If one is to claim that he
has always existed, then Occam's Razor would suggest that there is no need
to invoke a creator that has always existed, when a universe that has always
existed will do just as well.



If the universe contains everything then God is a self made
man/woman/thing. A bit like the american dream really.

Cheers

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Are you talking about dark energy or matter?

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

3) It was created in a single event which resulted in equal amounts of
"matter" and "anti-matter".


Which option do you believe in?

Bwahaahaha! Pretty funny, Donal. I'm smart enough to not simply blindly except
what some clown tells me. "God" was taught to you, just as it was taught to me.
The difference is, I had the strength of character to question it. I'm not a
sheep and I know that a lack of facts should not invite mumbo jumbo, voodoo or
aliens.
I'm off to meet Elvis on the Death Star now. E-mail me there!

RB

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With that point of view, you're sure to remain a pathetic loser.


Why, Dave, because I don't spend my life chasing money? A person is a winner or
loser based on their bank account, right? You see, this is what I mean by the
wealthy having a major handicap.

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Faith IS blind trust, regardless of your other comments. You've never been
touched by a spirit, though you may actually believe that.
It's easy to see why religion kills so many.

Faith is a funny thing. It's not what most people think it is. It's not
synonymous with believing. It's something altogether different. Jesus says that
the amount of faith is irrelevant and any faith can literally change the
physical world. I think faith is more like when you're in a dream, and you
think you can fly and so you start to fly. I think faith has more to do with
understanding the "unreality" of the physical universe then it does with
believing something. IMHO

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bob**** puts all his faith in his dock lines.

Scotty

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:

People once believed with all certainly that the world was
flat, just as you believe in a mythical being, just as some folks
believe in ghosts.

I would include faith in the truth of the causality hypothesis. Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Faith is the refuge for the ignorant. It dissallows speculation and free
thought. Because of faith, the 9/11 terrorists could not even imagine that
they were doing something evil.
The fundmental operational element of faith was and always will be ignorance.
People once believed with all certainly that the world was flat, just as you
believe in a mythical being, just as some folks believe in ghosts.

Our torture of Iraqi prisoners has justified 9/11. It doesn't matter whether we
deserved it and then got it, or got it and then deserved it. The "terrorists"
faith seems to have been true. I'm sorry that people lost their lives in 9/11.
I hate the way the world is. But people in glass houses can't throw stones.

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"The truth is: I don't have enough faith to be an athiest." A friend of mine
who earned a B.Sc. in mathematics told me that in one of our discussions about
math and creation.

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"Bobspirit" wrote
"God" was taught to you, just as it was taught to me.
The difference is, I had A.D.D. and couldn't understand what was being
taught.

RB

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One said to the other, "What do you think about all this Satan
stuff?" The other boy replied, "Well, you know how Santa Claus turned out.
It's
probably just your dad."

Funny!

RB

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"The truth is: I don't have enough faith to be an athiest.


Being an atheiest is as closed minded as any religion. In fact, it IS a
religion.

RB

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"Navigator" wrote
Anyway I'm allowed to use their facilities for free

Hope you flushed afterwards.

Scotty

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On 19 May 2004 01:59:21 GMT, topspam (EdGordonRN)
wrote this crap:

The man's right. If a $1,000 one time initiation fee and $400 a year is
beyond his means, he'll feel out of place, the members prolly won't want him

Excuse me while I try not to aspirate my puke while I ROTFL. I think rich
people are pathetic. Not people with money--a person can't do much about the
money they either have or don't have--I mean the rich person. That person who
is panicky affraid of losing what he or she knows damn well they will lose in
the end. That person who actually thinks their rotting corpse will be better
off in a tomb--or a yacht club--really needs to look at the realities of life.
If I had millions, which I don't, I would still never belong to the NY yacht
club, because if I have to buy a sponsor, that seems way too much like buying a
friend. Oh, silly me, that's what being rich is all about--buying friends. I
almost forgot. I think that's a very similar notion to buying a wife on an
hourly basis--if you get my drift.


You don't have to worry about it. You'll never be rich.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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On 19 May 2004 02:12:37 GMT, topspam (EdGordonRN)
wrote this crap:

At my yacht club, if you have to ask, you can't afford it. To get in,
you need a sponser to fill out the admission forms, and letters of
recommendation from two more members.

Why do you bother? What do you get out of that?


You start by getting to use the facilities. I get a dock for $900 a
year, with water and electric, which is less than half the price of a
dock at a marina. We have full shower rooms and toilet facilities.
Most marinas just have port-a-potties. We have a quarter mile of the
best beach in the midwest, (and that's saying a lot.) Did I mention
that a rum drink is $1.25 at the bar, and a beer is $0.85? Storage
for Lasers and racing dingys is on the beach. Dry storage for J24s
and similar boats is available. We have a launch tower for dry launch
boats. Did I mention rum drinks are $1.25 and beer is $0.85? Grassy
areas are available for sail drying and folding. At my old marina,
the only grassy area was used to walk dogs. And I'm not even
mentioning a third of the available facilities.

Also, this yacht club was started by sailors, for sailors. The
charter states that the mission of the yacht club was to promote
sailing activities. The stinkboaters are tolerated, and they know
they are in the minority. I'm not stuck around a bunch of
stinkboaters, who have to put up with the "ragbagger."

We have social and sailing activities every weekend. This weekend we
have a birthday party for two boats. Rum drinks at the bar will be
$1.25 and beer will be $0.85.

I could keep going on, but you get the idea.

People approving of you and you
have to pay for the privilage of people approving you? For a boat club? Maybe
there's something I don't get. Tell me, does anyone actually wear a blazer with
an emblem and a captains hat?

No. And gold chains are frowned upon.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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On Wed, 19 May 2004 00:16:04 -0400, "Beauregard"
wrote this crap:

I belong to a yacht club, and find it to be an excellent way for people
who do not or cannot own lakeside property to enjoy the water and
boating. My club requires three sponsors, and a guest membership period
in order for the applicant and the membership to make sure they are
comfortable with each other.

The only routine paid services utilized by the club are mowing the
grass, garbage pick-up, and a weekly housecleaning, so it is very
important that members clean up after themselves, pitch in to help on
semi-annual workdays, and serve on various committees. In return,
members have access to a marine railway, dry storage, wet slips,
launching ramps, docks, swim area, a club house that can be reserved for
private events at no charge, personal lockers, camping areas, organized
rowing and sailing programs, and the society of congenial people for
frequent social events. All of this is at an annual cost about half of
the annual lease of a slip for a 25 foot boat in a commercial marina.
We have a limited number of club owwned boats available for member use
on a first-come, first served basis, including a laser, a j-22, a couple
of sunfish, rowing skulls, and a couple of canoes. Multi-class club
races are held roughly everty two weeks year round, and there is ample
opportunity to participate as a crew member or by skippering one of the
club boats.

Since the membership jointly owns a multimillion $ facility, a modest
initiation fee ($1200 when I joined) and a process of ensuring mutual
compatability between members and candidates is appropriate, in my
opinion. We are a southern club, and do not descriminate based on
race, creed, or social status. Our membership includes a butcher, a few
doctors, school teachers, college professors, a smattering of yankees,
an English couple, a Frenchman, and at least one athiest.


You allow Frenchmen?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Faith is believing in a possible uncertainty as a reality.

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Horass is looking for a date...

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
You allow Frenchmen?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Being an atheiest is as closed minded as any religion. In fact, it IS a
religion.

RB

So, what are you? I thought you were an atheist. Yes/no?

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Dave wrote:
Yes, but maintain it at its present low level.

???

... Perhaps I'm wrong, but I tend
to think those who insist they have no ability to change their present
circumstances are not strong in the area of self-respect. It's the permanent
victim mentality.

Yes, you are wrong. For one thing, a lot of people place more importance
on other things than getting rich. Family, for instance. Health, for
another.

It is a lack of self-respect which makes people turn themselves into
slaves for their yuppie McMansions and SUVs. They are permanent victims
of a meaningless consumer culture.

DSK

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Faith is believing in a possible uncertainty as a reality.

Then I have no faith, either. In fact, if that's faith, then faith and mental
illness are the same thing. If that's what faith is, then it is simply a
psychological defense mechanism. Yes/No?

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You don't have to worry about it. You'll never be rich.

Whew! That's a load off. Thanks.

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Did I mention
that a rum drink is $1.25 at the bar, and a beer is $0.85?

I agree, there are advantages. But you pay, right? I mean where I live, the YCs
don't have any beach to themselves. In fact they are located right next to
public boat launches that we use right now. So let's say that it's 900 for a
slip and 1800 at a marina, if it costs a thousand or more to join and 500 a
year. OK, I guess there could be some savings. Perhaps when and if we ever buy
a large boat and want to keep it in a slip, we'll check it out again.

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Yes, but maintain it at its present low level. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I tend
to think those who insist they have no ability to change their present
circumstances are not strong in the area of self-respect. It's the permanent
victim mentality.

I lost 25 pounds a while back and have kept it off. My BP is 120/80 and
sometimes less. I jog 2 miles 4X a week, and have for 5 years. I just graduated
from nursing school (hence the RN), and I've already been hired at my first
choice hospital. Recently, I've stopped getting stressed out about things--it's
like an emotional diet, but it works and it's been holding. I feel 100X better
as a result. I feel like I'm happy for the first time in my life. So much for
your theories of my self-respect and ability to change my circumstances.
But...oh...I see, money is the most important issue, isn't it?

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"Horvath" wrote
. I think that's a very similar notion to buying a wife on an
hourly basis--

I pay monthly.

SV

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I jog 2 miles 4X a week, and have for 5 years. I just graduated
from nursing school (hence the RN),


Good for you! RN is a great job. Did you pass the boards yet? My wife has
already been offered a prime job at a leading cardiac care hosp. and I can't
believe that she'll start with such a high salary. In addition they help pay
off some of the student loans. Amazing. We have four friends who are RNs and
they all make more than 80K after only a few years. Not bad for 3 12 hour
shifts. Becoming a Nurse practitioner can tripple the salary and ability to
help others and is just a few more years away. My wife wanted a job that
mattered. Again, good on you!

RB

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So, what are you? I thought you were an atheist. Yes/no?

Nope. I'm agnostic. That means I'm open to anything. There MIGHT be a god just
as there might be aliens just as....
You get the idea. It's the only logical approach. A human beings greatest
strength is it's ability to learn, to seek out. Faith destroys all of that.

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote ...
My wife needed a job because I'm a lazy fat slob .

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote ...
My wife needed a job because I'm a lazy fat slob .


Scotty. Read what you typed again. Aren't you the least bit ashamed to be still
doing this? It's really sad and only highlights how bitter you are. Do you need
a hug?

RB

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Yes.

"Bobsprit" wrote

I need a rug?

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Yes.



Oh boy. Did you get your boat in the water and sailing?


RB

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"EdGordonRN" wrote
I'm all about building the kingdom of God on earth ....

Ahhh .... Errrr.... Which god are we talking about?

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Horvath wrote:

We have a quarter mile of the best beach in the midwest,

On Lake Erie? Are you are actually saying that the best beach in the
midwest is on Lake friggin' Erie ten milles from Toledo and within sight
of the power plants?

You're even more delusional than I thought.

--
//-Walt
//
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There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right
and wrong.

One of my very closest friends is a detective here in NY. If you think people
have an inate understanding of morality and ethics, you are badly mistaken.
We don't need religion to teach right from wrong, anymore than we need to bring
back Greek mythology.
I was raised by a scientific family who taught me the rules of nature 1st and
morality second.

RB

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Our conscience can best be explained by a loving
Creator who cares about the decisions and harmony of humanity.

WE created religion and the belief in god, not the other way around.

RB