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Donal June 2nd 04 11:53 PM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I suppose that might be the case: you triviallized all of evolution
by simply saying, "I thought about it, and it doesn't work."

Consider that he also thought about buying a sailboat AFTER owning a
powerboat....and bought a Beneteau.


Good one, Bob. 10/10!




Regards


Donal
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Donal June 2nd 04 11:57 PM

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message

[snip]
If we all agreed with with your reasoning, then we would be still stuck

in
the dark ages. We would not engage in any scientific research because

the
task (gap in our knowledge) was so huge.


Why do you say that? Do you only work on problems where the solution is
trivial? I suppose that might be the case: you triviallized all of

evolution
by simply saying, "I thought about it, and it doesn't work."


Quite the opposite.

I've actually thought about it ... and the evolutionary theory doesn't add
up.

If you assume an average 13 years between generations, then you cannot
produce Homo Sapiens in the available time.

Try it yourself!



Regards


Donal
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Navigator June 3rd 04 12:09 AM

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wrote:


I think you are more than slightly mixed up. I am against the war in Iraq. I
think the president of the U.S. is a toady for the oil companies, and hasn't
uttered a truthful word about the "war on terror", which is altogether a big
sham. We had Russian Nukes pointed at us for 40 years, and we didn't need a
"Patriot Act", or a department of homeland security or any of this other
nonsense to deal with it.



A good point.

Cheers


Peter Wiley June 3rd 04 01:50 AM

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In article , Donal
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..


Donal's desperately trying to drag a red herring across the thread.


Peter! You must be one of the dullest persons on the planet!


Yep. That's 100% true.

What is wrong with a bit of discussion? Have you no sense of *FUN* at all?


Lots, just I covered this sort of crap 30 years or more ago.

You really need to relax a bit! .... Honestly.


As I said WRT herrings.........

BTW Donal, did your God create the entire fossil record, fake
radiocarbon dating and create the appearance of plate tectonics, or do
you accept that these things happened over millions of years elapsed
time?

PDW

Peter Wiley June 3rd 04 01:55 AM

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In article , Joe
wrote:

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message |
| We know time travel is possiable if we can go faster than light.

No Joe... we definitely don't "Know" that.......

|
| Physics 101 boobsie, did you skip class?

Bob probably didn't finish high school.... neither did I!


So what, Neither did I. at 16 9th or 10th grade I joined the US Navy.
Like you I was bored to death.


Don't base your assumptions of intellect on the schooling offered in your
country.... it's been proven to be very unreliable.


No kidding.



I'm more than willing to discuss any topic with you Joe.... I have a grade 9
education. Do you think I'm stupid?


Never said you were, my comment was to boobpimp.

I just passed an interview described by
my peers who failed it as a grueling 45 minute interrogation.... I was
accepted and awarded the position in 15 minutes. They have diplomas inn
Engineering..... I have only field experience and am self taught.


Thats great, many corporations will not even talk to you without a
degree.


I agree 100%. Daily I work with some of the countrys leading
engineers. I own a recruiting firm and place them with many of the
USA's fortune 500 companies.

I've learned that many times a Phd stands for Piled higher and deeper,
some are total idiots.


Bwahahahahahahahaha! You got *that* right! I used to have a self-taught
software designer working for me, brightest one I'd ever had. She had a
high school education but wasn't afraid to think and learn. Had a
newish PhD working for me too, he was quite put out that she got paid
more than he did. Told him she was better value and all a degree proved
was you had the time/money to stay at school long enough to get one.

PDW

Wally June 3rd 04 02:00 AM

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Donal wrote:

I've actually thought about it ... and the evolutionary theory
doesn't add up.

If you assume an average 13 years between generations, ...


"I have never heard any answer to that question that isn't predicated on
assumption."


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk



Jeff Morris June 3rd 04 02:16 AM

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"Donal" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
Why do you say that? Do you only work on problems where the solution is
trivial? I suppose that might be the case: you triviallized all of

evolution
by simply saying, "I thought about it, and it doesn't work."


Quite the opposite.


No, that's exactly what you're saying. Or are you claiming that you're a
biologist qualified to critique the work of thousands of your colleagues.


I've actually thought about it ... and the evolutionary theory doesn't add
up.

If you assume an average 13 years between generations, then you cannot
produce Homo Sapiens in the available time.


First of all, most mammals come to maturity in a year or less. Smaller mammals
are often even faster, and more primitive lifeforms may have many generations in
a year. You may have an argument that several hundred thousands generations
seems short for our development from "Lucy" (I would still differ), but the
lower lifeforms have had billions of generations. When you consider what we've
done with dogs in just a few hundred generations or so, I can easily believe
that there's been plenty of time for us to have been created by evolution.


Try it yourself!


OK, another set of examples. All of the plant and animal species that we now
called "domesticated" are quite different from their wild predecessors. All of
these new species "evolved," largely as an accident of interaction with human
culture, in a time span of less then 10,000 years. Actually, many occurred in
less than 1000 years - Wheat for instance (IIRC) evolved quickly because several
naturally occurring mutations were very compatible with human cultivation.




DSK June 3rd 04 04:42 PM

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Jeff Morris wrote:
OK, another set of examples. All of the plant and animal species that we now
called "domesticated" are quite different from their wild predecessors. All of
these new species "evolved," largely as an accident of interaction with human
culture, in a time span of less then 10,000 years. Actually, many occurred in
less than 1000 years - Wheat for instance (IIRC) evolved quickly because several
naturally occurring mutations were very compatible with human cultivation.


Or, in the case of the Pekinese dog, we have definitely influenced
evolution to produce a creature that Nature would never could have, for
reasons that nobody can explain.

DSK


katysails June 3rd 04 10:24 PM

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Doug stated:
in the case of the Pekinese dog, we have definitely influenced
evolution to produce a creature that Nature would never could have, for
reasons that nobody can explain.

Kagogi, anyone?
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Jeff Morris June 4th 04 12:08 AM

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Jeff Morris wrote:
OK, another set of examples. All of the plant and animal species that we

now
called "domesticated" are quite different from their wild predecessors. All

of
these new species "evolved," largely as an accident of interaction with

human
culture, in a time span of less then 10,000 years. Actually, many occurred

in
less than 1000 years - Wheat for instance (IIRC) evolved quickly because

several
naturally occurring mutations were very compatible with human cultivation.


Or, in the case of the Pekinese dog, we have definitely influenced
evolution to produce a creature that Nature would never could have, for
reasons that nobody can explain.


Funny you should mention that - there was a study of Canine DMA published
recently that was looking at the "distance" of various breeds from their wolf
ancestors. There were some obvious results, like huskies and other sled dogs
are "original" breeds, but they also found the Pekinese are an ancient breed,
and one that as billed as an "ancient Egyptian dog" (I forget the name) was
developed in the last few hundred years.







DSK June 4th 04 03:21 AM

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Jeff Morris wrote:
Funny you should mention that - there was a study of Canine DMA published
recently that was looking at the "distance" of various breeds from their wolf
ancestors. There were some obvious results, like huskies and other sled dogs
are "original" breeds, but they also found the Pekinese are an ancient breed,
and one that as billed as an "ancient Egyptian dog" (I forget the name) was
developed in the last few hundred years.


Yes, I heard that science program too.

There are a number of interesting studies of dog DNA, linking behavior
to genetics among other important questions. Easier and cheaper than
doing the same research on people... although the implications are a
little scary...

DSK



Navigator June 4th 04 04:06 AM

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DSK wrote:


There are a number of interesting studies of Doug DNA, linking behavior
to genetics among other important questions. Easier and cheaper than
doing the same research on people... although the implications are a
little scary...



Yes, I know!

Cheers


DSK June 5th 04 03:03 AM

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Navigator wrote:
Yes, I know!


Good one, Navsprit.

Have you realized the difference between Boston and Baltimore, yet?

DSK


Capt. Mooron June 5th 04 03:27 AM

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I've got this $500 Silk Jacket..... it billows in the wind when
sailing..... and when the wind is just right, the boat is on heel and the
sun is shining..... the feel of it against my skin makes my nipples erect!
Go figure! :-)

My silk long johns at minus 40 while surfing a snowmobile through virgin
powder snow in the remote boreal forest of the sub arctic is sufficent to
make any male "erect"......

..... either that or you're a Club Racer that subscribes to a newsgroup under
the lame name of "Loco"... even an overdose of viagra couldn't get you "up"
at that point!!


CM



"katysails" wrote in message
...
| Mooron siad: I know Silk Jon...... I Earned Silk! Silk feels wonderful!
|
|
| You can get silk longjohns at Landsend....
|
| --
| katysails
| s/v Chanteuse
| Kirie Elite 32
| http://katysails.tripod.com
|
| "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
| and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein
|
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Capt. Mooron June 5th 04 03:31 AM

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

| If it floats, flys or ****s, rent - don't buy. Exponential rule applies
| for combined activities......

The Truth in that statement belies my penchant for total submission,
domination and ownership! ;-)

"I bought her because I can afford her" is what a wise Captain once said!

I love branding irons...... submit Kajira! Submit!

CM



Capt. Mooron June 5th 04 03:43 AM

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Right On Joe...... just blew the competition away by having a letter of
reference sent to HQ that the entire Project was back on track since I was
hired. Now that feels good! I'm directing Engineers all because I have the
experience to do so.

It's like sailing.... I don't totally understand why I make some
decisions.... just that they are correct for the circumstances. It's an
innate reflex based on experience. You can tell someone that has "water
experience" just as easily as someone that has "construction experience"....
it's all in their rational and logic.... based on years of experience.

CM



"Joe" wrote in message

| Well while you were in summer school I was sailing the pacific,
| focused so much on sea skills that I became the youngest 1000 ton
| freight and towing master in the USA at the time.



Capt. Mooron June 5th 04 03:46 AM

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"Donal" wrote in message

| You should write poetry ....

I can't figure out how to rhyme the words......

CM



Capt. Mooron June 5th 04 03:54 AM

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"DSK" wrote in message
| Or, in the case of the Pekinese dog, we have definitely influenced
| evolution to produce a creature that Nature would never could have, for
| reasons that nobody can explain.

You are of course totally in error...... for nature did indeed create such
a creature.... for our pleasure and at our beckoning. We had nothing to do
with alteration of the laws of nature... only it's abuse to our satisfaction
Doug.

Understand this and you understand much more than you currently do.......
;-)


CM



Capt. Mooron June 5th 04 03:57 AM

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"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| I suppose that might be the case: you triviallized all of evolution
| by simply saying, "I thought about it, and it doesn't work."
|
| Consider that he also thought about buying a sailboat AFTER owning a
| powerboat....and bought a Beneteau.
|
| Good one, Bob. 10/10!

Yes Donal... that deserved a positive point score..... leave it to to Bob
to occasionally hit the nail on the head.... but only after striking his own
thumb on several attempts.

CM



Maynard G. Krebbs June 6th 04 01:20 AM

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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:31:38 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
...

| If it floats, flys or ****s, rent - don't buy. Exponential rule applies
| for combined activities......

The Truth in that statement belies my penchant for total submission,
domination and ownership! ;-)

"I bought her because I can afford her" is what a wise Captain once said!

I love branding irons...... submit Kajira! Submit!

CM


Oh no! Not the GOR series again. lol
Mark E. Williams

Navigator June 7th 04 06:54 AM

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Yes, are they are both on the East coast, begion with the letter B and
have names of frigates beginning with "Cons" ? Oh yes, I've lived in one
and you haven't?

Hahahahhahahaha

Cheers

DSK wrote:
Navigator wrote:

Yes, I know!



Good one, Navsprit.

Have you realized the difference between Boston and Baltimore, yet?

DSK



DSK June 7th 04 11:54 AM

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Navigator wrote:
Yes, are they are both on the East coast, begion with the letter B and
have names of frigates beginning with "Cons" ?


Very good, but which is which? And have you learned the difference
between the 1980s and the 1990s yet?


... Oh yes, I've lived in one
and you haven't?


You don't know where I have been in residence. Of course, it's just one
more thing you 'think' you know...

DSK


Navigator June 7th 04 10:32 PM

English Lesson
 


DSK wrote:
Navigator wrote:


... Oh yes, I've lived in one and you haven't?



You don't know where I have been in residence. Of course, it's just one
more thing you 'think' you know...



An English test for you Doug.

Was the following a statement:

"Oh yes, I've lived in one and you haven't?"

Explain what is being asked.


Bwhahahhahahahah

Cheers


DSK June 7th 04 10:53 PM

Geography Lesson
 
Navigator wrote:

"Oh yes, I've lived in one and you haven't?"


Are you so completely sure that I have never lived in either Boston or
Baltimore? List all the places I have resided. Bonus points for all the
places I have gotten drivers licenses.

Or, as a healthy alternative, you could drop the idea that you know so
much and abandon your obsession with trying to get some kind of
advantage on me.

DSK


katysails June 7th 04 11:16 PM

Geography Lesson
 
Boys! Stop that yelling each other or I'll make you sit in a chair and hold
hands....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Flying Tadpole June 8th 04 12:48 AM

Geography Lesson
 

katysails wrote:

Boys! Stop that yelling each other or I'll make you sit in a chair and hold
hands....

Please, katy...aren't Ganz and Crantz enough? Or the
Jackass-Jeffies love-in? Besides, I thought same-sex marriages
got tossed out again.


--
Flying Tadpole

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katysails June 8th 04 02:11 AM

Geography Lesson
 
Please, katy...aren't Ganz and Crantz enough? Or the
Jackass-Jeffies love-in? Besides, I thought same-sex marriages
got tossed out again.


For shame, Taddy, construing my remarks in such a manner! I was chiding
with motherly attention, not bringing attention to perversion....MC and Doug
are more like brothers born a little too close apart and vying for the
parent's attention, whether it be bad or good....a gentle slap on the wrist
is usually all that's needed to regain their focus, but sometimes, a more
powerful incentive must be used. Now you go stand in that corner.

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Flying Tadpole June 8th 04 02:49 AM

Geography Lesson
 


katysails wrote:

For shame, Taddy, construing my remarks in such a manner! I was chiding
with motherly attention, not bringing attention to perversion....snipNow you go stand in that corner.


This gets worse and worse, Katy...you're their mother? and
they're perverted? and you want me in the corner?

Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
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past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera

Navigator June 8th 04 02:55 AM

Failed comprehension
 


DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:


"Oh yes, I've lived in one and you haven't?"



Are you so completely sure that I have never lived in either Boston or
Baltimore? List all the places I have resided. Bonus points for all the
places I have gotten drivers licenses.

Or, as a healthy alternative, you could drop the idea that you know so
much and abandon your obsession with trying to get some kind of
advantage on me.


0/10

You have failed to show you know the difference between a question and a
statement of fact.

Cheers


Navigator June 8th 04 02:58 AM

Geography Lesson
 


Flying Tadpole wrote:


katysails wrote:

For shame, Taddy, construing my remarks in such a manner! I was chiding
with motherly attention, not bringing attention to perversion....snipNow you go stand in that corner.



This gets worse and worse, Katy...you're their mother? and
they're perverted? and you want me in the corner?


As long as your are not in my corner...

Cheers


Flying Tadpole June 8th 04 03:29 AM

Geography Lesson
 


Navigator wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:


katysails wrote:

For shame, Taddy, construing my remarks in such a manner! I was chiding
with motherly attention, not bringing attention to perversion....snipNow you go stand in that corner.



This gets worse and worse, Katy...you're their mother? and
they're perverted? and you want me in the corner?


As long as your are not in my corner...


But I've never had any desire to corner you, Nav!

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious
past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera

Navigator June 8th 04 05:28 AM

Geography Lesson
 


Flying Tadpole wrote:


But I've never had any desire to cornhole you, Nav!

Yikes!

Cheers


katysails June 8th 04 11:55 AM

Geography Lesson
 

This gets worse and worse, Katy...you're their mother? and
they're perverted? and you want me in the corner?

nononon...if you act like a child you get treated like a child....and yes,
you must still stand in the corner...nose to....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Flying Tadpole June 8th 04 12:13 PM

Geography Lesson
 


katysails wrote:

This gets worse and worse, Katy...you're their mother? and
they're perverted? and you want me in the corner?

nononon...if you act like a child you get treated like a child....and yes,
you must still stand in the corner...nose to....
--
katysails


....noses...no...noses never really, er...I think I'll go to work.
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious
past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera

Vito June 8th 04 01:20 PM

Geography Lesson
 
"DSK" wrote

Are you so completely sure that I have never lived in either Boston or
Baltimore?


I sure wouldn't admit it if I had - especially "Bawmer".



DSK June 8th 04 01:27 PM

Geography Lesson
 
Vito wrote:
I sure wouldn't admit it if I had - especially "Bawmer".


Nothing wrong with Baltimore as long as you know which neighborhoods to
not walk through. Lots of nice people live there and the sailing is OK.
Baseball team sucks though ;)

DSK


DSK June 8th 04 01:29 PM

Geography Lesson
 
katysails wrote:
....MC and Doug
are more like brothers born a little too close apart


Aaak!! That is the worst insult I have ever had to swallow. You might as
well say I was related to Boob... Boo... Bbb... I can't say it...

DSK


Navigator June 8th 04 10:41 PM

Geography Lesson
 
What happened they used to be quite good...

Cheers

DSK wrote:
Vito wrote:

I sure wouldn't admit it if I had - especially "Bawmer".



Nothing wrong with Baltimore as long as you know which neighborhoods to
not walk through. Lots of nice people live there and the sailing is OK.
Baseball team sucks though ;)

DSK



Donal June 8th 04 11:00 PM

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..


BTW Donal, did your God create the entire fossil record, fake
radiocarbon dating and create the appearance of plate tectonics, or do
you accept that these things happened over millions of years elapsed
time?


I don't have an issue with any of these things.

My only problem is with the theoty of evolution. I don't see how *we*
could have evolved in the available time. I also have a problem with the
creation of the Universe.


Regards


Donal
--




DSK June 8th 04 11:11 PM

Geography Lesson
 
Navigator wrote:
What happened they used to be quite good...


I guess that depends on your definition of "quite good." Quite good
compared to your sailing ability? They won a World Series about thirty
years ago. There are a lot of teams that have never won a World Series,
much less losing one to the Mets.

DSK



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