"Navigator" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

You do know she's motoring?


You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.

The USS Constitution does not have an engine.


No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing' expertise.
But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.


Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines. Admittedly, it
was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was sailing
on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html

http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm

Jeff Morris wrote:
Dead wrong, nav.

I think he's trying to break Jax's world record for the most wrong info
posted to usenet.

... I was there. She was free of her tow lines. Admittedly, it
was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was sailing
on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html

http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm

Cool links, thanks. BTW it seemed (and still seems) to me that to spend
all that money on sails, and not sail her more, is a real shame. I read
that her suit includes main & mizzen staysails, and would eventually
include stun'sls. Any idea if this came true? Seems to me that Old
Ironsides would be an outstanding training vessel, and even more
outstanding to show the flag around the world's ports. We should get our
money's worth out of her!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
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Cool links, thanks. BTW it seemed (and still seems) to me that to spend
all that money on sails, and not sail her more, is a real shame.

She does carry sail several times a year, but not free of the tug.


I read
that her suit includes main & mizzen staysails, and would eventually
include stun'sls. Any idea if this came true?

Not that I know of.


Seems to me that Old
Ironsides would be an outstanding training vessel, and even more
outstanding to show the flag around the world's ports. We should get our
money's worth out of her!


I agree it would be nice, but I'd prefer to think that she might still be with
us in another 200 years. Let the Eagle do the goodwill tours - she's
replaceable!


Here's an interesting link to the materials used for the refit, including the
sails.
http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-otton-mat.htm

At the American Textile History Museum in Lowell Ma they have some antique looms
that were used to recreate some of the fabrics on the ship (not the sails, which
were a special 15 oz polyester). I was facinated watching the old loom run, but
I couldn't imagine what it wold be like to have a few hundred running at the
same time for 14 hours!

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
"DSK" wrote in message
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Cool links, thanks. BTW it seemed (and still seems) to me that to spend
all that money on sails, and not sail her more, is a real shame.

She does carry sail several times a year, but not free of the tug.


I read
that her suit includes main & mizzen staysails, and would eventually
include stun'sls. Any idea if this came true?

Not that I know of.


Seems to me that Old
Ironsides would be an outstanding training vessel, and even more
outstanding to show the flag around the world's ports. We should get our
money's worth out of her!


.. Let the Eagle do the goodwill tours - she's
replaceable!

Your in deep **** now if the USCG ever reads that line and connect it
to you and your tug ;o)

Joe





Here's an interesting link to the materials used for the refit, including the
sails.
http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-otton-mat.htm

At the American Textile History Museum in Lowell Ma they have some antique looms
that were used to recreate some of the fabrics on the ship (not the sails, which
were a special 15 oz polyester). I was facinated watching the old loom run, but
I couldn't imagine what it wold be like to have a few hundred running at the
same time for 14 hours!

"Joe" wrote in message
. Let the Eagle do the goodwill tours - she's
replaceable!

Your in deep **** now if the USCG ever reads that line and connect it
to you and your tug ;o)


All we'd have to do is declare war on Romania and snarf the Mircea.

But seriously, I think anyone in the CG would be willing to sacrifice the Eagle
to preserve the Constitution.

Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics.

Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Navigator" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

You do know she's motoring?


You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.

The USS Constitution does not have an engine.


No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing' expertise.
But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.


Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines.
Admittedly, it
was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was
sailing
on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html

http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm

Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40
foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most of
the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships.

My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the
heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"... I
explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they
needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value.

He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA. ;-)

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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| Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics.
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| Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy.
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| Scotty
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| "Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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| "Navigator" wrote in message
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| DSK wrote:
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| Navigator wrote:
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| You do know she's motoring?
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|
| You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.
|
| The USS Constitution does not have an engine.
|
|
| No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing'
expertise.
| But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.
|
|
| Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines.
| Admittedly, it
| was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was
| sailing
| on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.
|
| http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html
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| http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm
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Tell your nephew to get used to it, soon he'll be saluting it.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40
foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most
of
the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships.

My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the
heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"...
I
explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they
needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value.

He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA.
;-)

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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| Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics.
|
| Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy.
|
| Scotty
|
| "Jeff Morris" wrote in message
| ...
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| "Navigator" wrote in message
| ...
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|
| DSK wrote:
|
| Navigator wrote:
|
| You do know she's motoring?
|
|
| You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.
|
| The USS Constitution does not have an engine.
|
|
| No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing'
expertise.
| But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.
|
|
| Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines.
| Admittedly, it
| was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was
| sailing
| on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.
|
| http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html
|
| http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm
|
|
|
|

Perhaps American's have great pride in their country and
that is reflected in their flags.

Big flags look good, no matter what country they represent.
When in doubt go with the bigger size.

I've been on Eagle and have a copy of their training manual.
She has a beautiful double wheel. I'd like to sail on her
someday.

Bart Senior

Capt. Mooron wrote

Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40
foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most
of
the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships.

My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the
heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"...
I
explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they
needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value.

He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA.
;-)

CM

When the tall ships came to Balt. in 2000, I recall one country had a much
larger flag than the rest of the fleet. I took that as showing their pride,
but then, I'm not jealous of other countries.

I believe it was Columbia.

for a pic.: http://www.sailbaltimore.org/opsail/ships.htm

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40
foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most
of
the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships.

My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the
heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"...
I
explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they
needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value.

He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA.
;-)

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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| Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics.
|
| Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy.
|
| Scotty
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| "Jeff Morris" wrote in message
| ...
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| "Navigator" wrote in message
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| DSK wrote:
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| Navigator wrote:
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| You do know she's motoring?
|
|
| You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.
|
| The USS Constitution does not have an engine.
|
|
| No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing'
expertise.
| But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.
|
|
| Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines.
| Admittedly, it
| was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was
| sailing
| on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.
|
| http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html
|
| http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm
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