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No, I don't.
"Bobigator" wrote ... Maybe, but you must admit it was a good informative troll... Cheers Scott Vernon wrote: Navsprit? |
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Navigator wrote:
What's the matter Doug, upset that she doesn't have a motor for you to play with? Not at all, but you seem to be upset that the U.S.S. Constitution is in fact sound & sailing. I am rather proud of her, and have learned quite a bit about this great ship. You seem to have avoided learning anything. Tell us why, in your ever so humble opinion, Pride of Baltimore was lost due to "poor seamanship." DSK |
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Awww c'mon. I say it was the best this week!
Cheers Scott Vernon wrote: No, I don't. "Bobigator" wrote ... Maybe, but you must admit it was a good informative troll... Cheers Scott Vernon wrote: Navsprit? |
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Read about it, I won't discuss things with you.
Cheers DSK wrote: Navigator wrote: What's the matter Doug, upset that she doesn't have a motor for you to play with? Not at all, but you seem to be upset that the U.S.S. Constitution is in fact sound & sailing. I am rather proud of her, and have learned quite a bit about this great ship. You seem to have avoided learning anything. Tell us why, in your ever so humble opinion, Pride of Baltimore was lost due to "poor seamanship." DSK |
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Navigator wrote:
Read about it, I won't discuss things with you. Of course not, you look too much like an ignorant fool when you do. I already know a good bit about the loss of the Pride of Baltimore, and "poor seamanship" was not one of the factors in her sinking. Your statement is an insult to her designer, builders, captain, and most of all to the people who died when she went down. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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DSK wrote: Navigator wrote: Read about it, I won't discuss things with you. Of course not, you look too much like an ignorant fool when you do. I already know a good bit about the loss of the Pride of Baltimore, and "poor seamanship" was not one of the factors in her sinking. OK you don't need to repeat that you know it all so often. Perhaps you should listen to someone who is an authority on seamanship? Read Parrott. "Carefully examined, the evidence shows that, contrary to some official findings, ignorance of and disregard for age-old practices of seamanship were at least as responsible for the tragedies as "acts of God." In some instances the seeds of a ship's ultimate undoing were planted years before, as ill-considered structural changes, rig modifications, and "mission creep" eroded stability and seaworthiness." I wonder if he agrees with my views about losses I've argued with you before... Cheers |
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Navigator wrote:
OK you don't need to repeat that you know it all so often. Perhaps you should listen to someone who is an authority on seamanship? Read Parrott. Or maybe parrot Read? "Carefully examined, the evidence shows that, contrary to some official findings, ignorance of and disregard for age-old practices of seamanship were at least as responsible for the tragedies as "acts of God." Is he talking specifically about the Pride of Baltimore? Sounds like he's referring to several incidents, not one specifically. Is this guy a favorite of yours because he too has a grudge and an emotional need to insult others. "Ignorance at all of age-old practices of seamanship" is nonsense, the designer, builder, & captain all were very highly regarded scholars of maritime history as well as consummate professionals. ... In some instances the seeds of a ship's ultimate undoing were planted years before, as ill-considered structural changes, rig modifications, and "mission creep" eroded stability and seaworthiness." I'd be interested to know specifically what structural changes, and rig modifications he's talking about. Mission creep may have some basis in fact, the first Pride was not built with the intention of crossing oceans. She was deliberately built with more historical accuracy and less regard for modern safety considerations, and all concerned knew this well. I wonder if he agrees with my views about losses I've argued with you before... I wonder if he actually knows of what he's talking about, unlike you. DSK |
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DSK wrote: Navigator wrote: OK you don't need to repeat that you know it all so often. Perhaps you should listen to someone who is an authority on seamanship? Read Parrott. Or maybe parrot Read? "Carefully examined, the evidence shows that, contrary to some official findings, ignorance of and disregard for age-old practices of seamanship were at least as responsible for the tragedies as "acts of God." Is he talking specifically about the Pride of Baltimore? Sounds like he's referring to several incidents, not one specifically. Is this guy a favorite of yours because he too has a grudge and an emotional need to insult others. "Ignorance at all of age-old practices of seamanship" is nonsense, the designer, builder, & captain all were very highly regarded scholars of maritime history as well as consummate professionals. ... In some instances the seeds of a ship's ultimate undoing were planted years before, as ill-considered structural changes, rig modifications, and "mission creep" eroded stability and seaworthiness." I'd be interested to know specifically what structural changes, and rig modifications he's talking about. Mission creep may have some basis in fact, the first Pride was not built with the intention of crossing oceans. She was deliberately built with more historical accuracy and less regard for modern safety considerations, and all concerned knew this well. I wonder if he agrees with my views about losses I've argued with you before... I wonder if he actually knows of what he's talking about, unlike you. Oh dear. Parrott is acknowleged as an expert on seamanship. Hey it's OK just insult him too 'cos you are always right! But do us all a favor and read his book, you'll really learn something about seamanship and tall ships. Cheers |
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Navigator wrote:
Awww c'mon. I say it was the best this week! What utter drivel. First you post that the Constitution was motoring, then when it is pointed out that she has no motor, you backpedal and claim that she was being towed, next it becomes apparent that the tow vessel was not in fact towing. Finally you lack the spine to say 'oops', but instead resort to the tried and true Bobsprit cry, "It was a troll!", implying that you knew the facts all along and were merely trying to spark nautical discussion. Hogwash. Shame on you Nav! Cheers Marty |
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Navigator wrote:
Oh dear. Parrott is acknowleged as an expert on seamanship. Unlike yourself. ... Hey it's OK just insult him too 'cos you are always right! Actually, I have never insulted the man, only pointed out that you (and he, in your specific quote for which you give no details and no context) were quite insulting to others. .. But do us all a favor and read his book How do you know I haven't? I'd also suggest you read Villiers, Lever, Chappelle, and a few others. Actually, Thomas Gilmer, the designer of Pride of Baltimore I and II, has written quite a lot about naval architecture (of which he was a professor at the U.S. Naval Academy), and naval & maritime history, as well as designing a lot of excellent boats. But you already knew that I bet Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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