"Navigator" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

You do know she's motoring?


You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.

The USS Constitution does not have an engine.


No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing' expertise.
But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.


Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines. Admittedly, it
was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was sailing
on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html

http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm

Wow, a 200 year old wooden ship with pumps running! What are the odds?



"Navigator" wrote in message
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No it wasn't. It was splitting open like a rotten egg and was being
braced by steel bands with fire pumps running 24/7. I was there -I
walked past her every day...

Cheers

Jeff Morris wrote:

Negative, Nav. The U.S.S. Constitution doesn't have a motor, and when that
shot
was taken she was free of her tow line, sailing on her own. Ten years ago
she
was in dry dock for a long planned restoration. It was intended to be only
limited work, but after an inspection it was decided to do a full
restoration.
However, it would be unfair to say it "had nearly sunk from neglect," since
the
hull was relatively sound.



"Navigator" wrote in message
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You do know she's motoring? 10 years ago she had nearly sunk from neglect.

Cheers

Joe wrote:


"Bart Senior" wrote in message

.net...

It's one of those trailer sailors, that you don't dare take out on the
water.

Nelson, if he was alive, would be sad to see this glorious vessel
unfit for the sea.



Unfit for sea ya say Bart!
I thought the Brit's had pride in Englands naval past.

It's always nice to see ol Ironsides offsho
http://www.sheriff.co.wise.tx.us/cuf.../ironsides.jpg

She's clearly cared for properly, still a US Navy ship of the line.

Joe






Bart Senior

Icarus wrote



Hi

Have a look at these great pictures of Nelsons Flagship "Victory" at
Portsmouth, England.

Comments welcome.

http://y2u.co.uk/&002_Images/Victory%20Nelson%2001.htm

Jeff Morris wrote:
Dead wrong, nav.

I think he's trying to break Jax's world record for the most wrong info
posted to usenet.

... I was there. She was free of her tow lines. Admittedly, it
was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was sailing
on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html

http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm

Cool links, thanks. BTW it seemed (and still seems) to me that to spend
all that money on sails, and not sail her more, is a real shame. I read
that her suit includes main & mizzen staysails, and would eventually
include stun'sls. Any idea if this came true? Seems to me that Old
Ironsides would be an outstanding training vessel, and even more
outstanding to show the flag around the world's ports. We should get our
money's worth out of her!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
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Cool links, thanks. BTW it seemed (and still seems) to me that to spend
all that money on sails, and not sail her more, is a real shame.

She does carry sail several times a year, but not free of the tug.


I read
that her suit includes main & mizzen staysails, and would eventually
include stun'sls. Any idea if this came true?

Not that I know of.


Seems to me that Old
Ironsides would be an outstanding training vessel, and even more
outstanding to show the flag around the world's ports. We should get our
money's worth out of her!


I agree it would be nice, but I'd prefer to think that she might still be with
us in another 200 years. Let the Eagle do the goodwill tours - she's
replaceable!


Here's an interesting link to the materials used for the refit, including the
sails.
http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-otton-mat.htm

At the American Textile History Museum in Lowell Ma they have some antique looms
that were used to recreate some of the fabrics on the ship (not the sails, which
were a special 15 oz polyester). I was facinated watching the old loom run, but
I couldn't imagine what it wold be like to have a few hundred running at the
same time for 14 hours!

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Wow, a 200 year old wooden ship with pumps running! What are the odds?



He's just jelious Jeff.

Joe



"Navigator" wrote in message
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No it wasn't. It was splitting open like a rotten egg and was being
braced by steel bands with fire pumps running 24/7. I was there -I
walked past her every day...

Cheers

Jeff Morris wrote:

Negative, Nav. The U.S.S. Constitution doesn't have a motor, and when that
shot
was taken she was free of her tow line, sailing on her own. Ten years ago
she
was in dry dock for a long planned restoration. It was intended to be only
limited work, but after an inspection it was decided to do a full
restoration.
However, it would be unfair to say it "had nearly sunk from neglect," since
the
hull was relatively sound.



"Navigator" wrote in message
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You do know she's motoring? 10 years ago she had nearly sunk from neglect.

Cheers

Joe wrote:


"Bart Senior" wrote in message

.net...

It's one of those trailer sailors, that you don't dare take out on the
water.

Nelson, if he was alive, would be sad to see this glorious vessel
unfit for the sea.



Unfit for sea ya say Bart!
I thought the Brit's had pride in Englands naval past.

It's always nice to see ol Ironsides offsho
http://www.sheriff.co.wise.tx.us/cuf.../ironsides.jpg

She's clearly cared for properly, still a US Navy ship of the line.

Joe






Bart Senior

Icarus wrote



Hi

Have a look at these great pictures of Nelsons Flagship "Victory" at
Portsmouth, England.

Comments welcome.

http://y2u.co.uk/&002_Images/Victory%20Nelson%2001.htm

Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics.

Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Navigator" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

You do know she's motoring?


You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.

The USS Constitution does not have an engine.


No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing' expertise.
But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.


Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines.
Admittedly, it
was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was
sailing
on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html

http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm

Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40
foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most of
the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships.

My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the
heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"... I
explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they
needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value.

He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA. ;-)

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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| Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics.
|
| Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy.
|
| Scotty
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| "Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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| "Navigator" wrote in message
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| DSK wrote:
|
| Navigator wrote:
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| You do know she's motoring?
|
|
| You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.
|
| The USS Constitution does not have an engine.
|
|
| No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing'
expertise.
| But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.
|
|
| Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines.
| Admittedly, it
| was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was
| sailing
| on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.
|
| http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html
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| http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm
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|
|
|

Tell your nephew to get used to it, soon he'll be saluting it.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40
foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most
of
the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships.

My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the
heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"...
I
explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they
needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value.

He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA.
;-)

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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| Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics.
|
| Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy.
|
| Scotty
|
| "Jeff Morris" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Navigator" wrote in message
| ...
|
|
| DSK wrote:
|
| Navigator wrote:
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| You do know she's motoring?
|
|
| You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie.
|
| The USS Constitution does not have an engine.
|
|
| No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing'
expertise.
| But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her.
|
|
| Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines.
| Admittedly, it
| was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was
| sailing
| on here own, without a tow, for about an hour.
|
| http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html
|
| http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm
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|
|
|

Hey Joe,

I think the Constitution should be sailed from port to port and put
on display evey year, instead of sitting at a dock. It's not much
better than Victory in permament dry dock--A sad state for a ship
of the line.

I'm embarassed to say that even Ole Ironsides, athough sailing, does
not have full suit of sails. We could do better for her too.

Bart

Joe wrote

Unfit for sea ya say Bart!
I thought the Brit's had pride in Englands naval past.

It's always nice to see ol Ironsides offsho
http://www.sheriff.co.wise.tx.us/cuf.../ironsides.jpg

She's clearly cared for properly, still a US Navy ship of the line.

Joe

Perhaps American's have great pride in their country and
that is reflected in their flags.

Big flags look good, no matter what country they represent.
When in doubt go with the bigger size.

I've been on Eagle and have a copy of their training manual.
She has a beautiful double wheel. I'd like to sail on her
someday.

Bart Senior

Capt. Mooron wrote

Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40
foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most
of
the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships.

My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the
heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"...
I
explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they
needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value.

He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA.
;-)

CM