CRIPES!!!!!!!

I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what
amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the
PHRF rating of a margarine container.

You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where"
contract with a brothel.

I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......

CM




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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| Just look at the POS!
| http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp
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| A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.
|
| Scotty
|

smoke & mirrors.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote

I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......

Capt. Mooron wrote:
CRIPES!!!!!!!

I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what
amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the
PHRF rating of a margarine container.

You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where"
contract with a brothel.

I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......

CM



There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely
new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast,
etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the
past few weeks.

Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on
the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't
have much interest in the facts, do you CM?

Jim







"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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| Just look at the POS!
| http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp
|
| A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.
|
| Scotty
|

It's still a piece of junk.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely
new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast,
etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the
past few weeks.

Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on
the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't
have much interest in the facts, do you CM?

Jim

"She's Dead Jim"......

I've been on a couple of Macs... the 19 the 26X. I've sailed on them.... [
and I use the term lightly].... in a variety of conditions. In each case
and condition..... the vessels have never disappointed me in their ability
to deliver substandard performance parameters and yet exceed the boundaries
of discomfort.

What truly renders this magnificent design so unique...... is it's
capacity to operate as either a power boat or sailboat while maintaining
it's reputation as the worst of both worlds.

Now you may well see this as boat bashing..... but in truth it's merely
enlightenment. The Macgregor is a vessel suited to those of little cash, no
experience and lacking all concept of boating in general.

The boat is suited for it's purpose...... I believe that you merely feel
uncomfortable with the mantle dictated by ownership.

Don't worry Jim... we're laughing at you .... not with you. ;-)

CM


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| CRIPES!!!!!!!
|
| I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what
| amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with
the
| PHRF rating of a margarine container.
|
| You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where"
| contract with a brothel.
|
| I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......
|
| CM
|
|
|
| There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely
| new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast,
| etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the
| past few weeks.
|
| Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on
| the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't
| have much interest in the facts, do you CM?
|
| Jim
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | Just look at the POS!
| | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp
| |
| | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
|
|
|

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"She's Dead Jim"......

I've been on a couple of Macs... the 19 the 26X. I've sailed on them.... [
and I use the term lightly].... in a variety of conditions. In each case
and condition..... the vessels have never disappointed me in their ability
to deliver substandard performance parameters and yet exceed the boundaries
of discomfort.

What truly renders this magnificent design so unique...... is it's
capacity to operate as either a power boat or sailboat while maintaining
it's reputation as the worst of both worlds.

Now you may well see this as boat bashing..... but in truth it's merely
enlightenment. The Macgregor is a vessel suited to those of little cash, no
experience and lacking all concept of boating in general.

The boat is suited for it's purpose...... I believe that you merely feel
uncomfortable with the mantle dictated by ownership.

Don't worry Jim... we're laughing at you .... not with you. ;-)

CM


You've sailed several Macs (but not the 26M). I've sailed O'Days,
Catalinas, Valiants, Endeavors, Cals, etc., in the 30 to 40 ft range.
They all have their good points, but none of them compares with the Mac
as far as versatility and resolution of the time issue.

Jim






"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| CRIPES!!!!!!!
|
| I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what
| amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with
the
| PHRF rating of a margarine container.
|
| You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where"
| contract with a brothel.
|
| I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......
|
| CM
|
|
|
| There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely
| new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast,
| etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the
| past few weeks.
|
| Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on
| the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't
| have much interest in the facts, do you CM?
|
| Jim
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | Just look at the POS!
| | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp
| |
| | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
|
|
|

And none of them except the Mac would be bought by a fool like you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Capt. Mooron wrote:

"She's Dead Jim"......

I've been on a couple of Macs... the 19 the 26X. I've sailed on them....
[
and I use the term lightly].... in a variety of conditions. In each
case
and condition..... the vessels have never disappointed me in their
ability
to deliver substandard performance parameters and yet exceed the
boundaries
of discomfort.

What truly renders this magnificent design so unique...... is it's
capacity to operate as either a power boat or sailboat while maintaining
it's reputation as the worst of both worlds.

Now you may well see this as boat bashing..... but in truth it's merely
enlightenment. The Macgregor is a vessel suited to those of little
cash, no
experience and lacking all concept of boating in general.

The boat is suited for it's purpose...... I believe that you merely
feel
uncomfortable with the mantle dictated by ownership.

Don't worry Jim... we're laughing at you .... not with you. ;-)

CM


You've sailed several Macs (but not the 26M). I've sailed O'Days,
Catalinas, Valiants, Endeavors, Cals, etc., in the 30 to 40 ft range.
They all have their good points, but none of them compares with the Mac
as far as versatility and resolution of the time issue.

Jim






"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| CRIPES!!!!!!!
|
| I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for
what
| amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of ****
with
the
| PHRF rating of a margarine container.
|
| You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And
Where"
| contract with a brothel.
|
| I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......
|
| CM
|
|
|
| There are major differences between the two boats, including an
entirely
| new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast,
| etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in
the
| past few weeks.
|
| Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on
| the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't
| have much interest in the facts, do you CM?
|
| Jim
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | Just look at the POS!
| | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp
| |
| | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
|
|
|

Dear Capt Moron,

The cost of a Mac 26M with 50 hp motor is substantially less than 32K
for a fully equipped boat. Nevertheless, however, 32K is a BARGAIN for
a boat of this quality, versatility, capability.

Incidentally, if, as you say, the Mac 26 is only a "cheap plastic piece
of ****" that is "dangerously under rigged," then there must be hundreds
of them that are falling apart every year, right? Since MacGregor has
sold over 30,000 boats, there must be at least 5,000 of them in which
the rigging has come apart in a moderate wind, or in which the boat has
simply self-destructed and sunk. - Right? If it's dangerously under
rigged, the rigging must be coming apart every time they go out in
moderate winds. (Incidentally, Capt, while you are at it, can you
explain to me why the MacGregor boats, with 300 sq ft of sail, need the
same type of standing rigging as boats with 1,500 ft of sail, and a
4,000 - 6,000 lead keel.)

Of the some MacGregor 30,000 boats, how many do you know of that have
failed, or sunk, or fallen apart because of build quality or "cheap
plastic", excluding user error? - 2,000, perhaps? Maybe 1,000?? Surely
you must know of 500, Moron. Ok, if not 500, how about 100? I'm talking
about yearly averages, not anecdotes, by the way.

In other words, can you back up your (libelous) remarks?

Jim



Capt. Mooron wrote:

CRIPES!!!!!!!

I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what
amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the
PHRF rating of a margarine container.

You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where"
contract with a brothel.

I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......

CM




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Just look at the POS!
| http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp
|
| A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.
|
| Scotty
|

Jim Cate wrote:

... Since
MacGregor has sold over 30,000 boats, there must be at least 5,000 of
them in which the rigging has come apart in a moderate wind, or in
which the boat has simply self-destructed and sunk.

I think most mac owners with bad experiences don't want to talk about them,
especially since they're still trying to unload the boat.

We have to rely on witnesses, like this one:

http://www.ybw.com/cgi-bin/forums/sh...b=5&o=93&part=

Macgregor 26 may be ok for an experienced and careful owner. Hear a lot of bad
reports re stability etc. We recorded bad accident on Loch Lomond with one : I
was doing my RNLI water safety bit at the slipway and a guy pulled up with one
on a trailer. He had just hauled it from Southampton too. Anyway, he had had a
good sleep and was fresh to go. He spent three hours with his son, getting her
rigged and I checked his boat for safety and stuff and he launched ok. Next day,
he set off from one of the islands and as he cleared the lee, caught a sudden
blow and because he had his keels either 'up' or empty of water buoyancy, the
whole thing just rolled over and submerged. His kids were down below asleep and
he had left some of his lifejackets at his campsite on the island!! Fortunately,
he was in shallow water and was saved by the inshore fast rescue boat.
Unfortunately, the Mac was wrecked during a later attempted recovery. A long
tale of woe for sure, but boating as we know can be tricky at times. The skipper
did have some experience but he made a mistake which on the Mac 26 proved
terminal. Best advice, buy any boat you like and can afford, but first of all,
get trained by a real expert. There are some on this forum who are professional
instructors and they will probably advise what's best. Happy boating. Safe
people have more fun anyway!! Roy

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Dear Capt Moron,

The cost of a Mac 26M with 50 hp motor is substantially less than 32K
for a fully equipped boat. Nevertheless, however, 32K is a BARGAIN for
a boat of this quality, versatility, capability.

Incidentally, if, as you say, the Mac 26 is only a "cheap plastic piece
of ****" that is "dangerously under rigged," then there must be hundreds
of them that are falling apart every year, right? Since MacGregor has
sold over 30,000 boats, there must be at least 5,000 of them in which
the rigging has come apart in a moderate wind, or in which the boat has
simply self-destructed and sunk. - Right? If it's dangerously under
rigged, the rigging must be coming apart every time they go out in
moderate winds. (Incidentally, Capt, while you are at it, can you
explain to me why the MacGregor boats, with 300 sq ft of sail, need the
same type of standing rigging as boats with 1,500 ft of sail, and a
4,000 - 6,000 lead keel.)

Of the some MacGregor 30,000 boats, how many do you know of that have
failed, or sunk, or fallen apart because of build quality or "cheap
plastic", excluding user error? - 2,000, perhaps? Maybe 1,000?? Surely
you must know of 500, Moron. Ok, if not 500, how about 100? I'm talking
about yearly averages, not anecdotes, by the way.

In other words, can you back up your (libelous) remarks?

Jim



Capt. Mooron wrote:

CRIPES!!!!!!!

I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what
amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the
PHRF rating of a margarine container.

You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where"
contract with a brothel.

I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"......

CM




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Just look at the POS!
| http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp
|
| A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.
|
| Scotty
|