Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's blue and butt-ugly.

Johnathan, appearance is in the eye of the beholder (I personally prefer
the white hull), but what qualifies you to make judgments like that? Do
you have training in art, yacht design, color selection and matching?
What education or degrees do you have that relate to aesthetics?

In any event, the appearance of the Mac 26M is sufficiently attractive
that MacGregor can't come close to meeting the demand for the boat.
(And don't try to tell me that the comments of contributors to this ng
"prove" your point. - 95% of the participants on this ng are obviously
biased regarding MacGregor and would put down whatever design they came
up with.)

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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In any event, the appearance of the Mac 26M is sufficiently attractive
that MacGregor can't come close to meeting the demand for the boat.

The fact that you were able to buy one and have it delivered in 2 months is
absolute proof that they are not backordered as you claim. When a boat is "hard
to get" it means its backordered 6 months or a year. Ordering in March for a
Spring delivery is essentially buying the dealer's stock.

You just believe everything the salesman tells you. Didn't your daddy teach you
anything about salesmen?


(And don't try to tell me that the comments of contributors to this ng
"prove" your point. - 95% of the participants on this ng are obviously
biased regarding MacGregor and would put down whatever design they came
up with.)

Actually, I thought that picture was rather flattering. From most angles
they're butt-ugly.

Jim asked:
What education or degrees do you have that relate to aesthetics?

Give me a break. Now you are being absolutely ludicrous. Aesthetics is in
the eye of the beholder...and that includes art. There is no degree that
teaches you that. Aesthetics come from experience, from knowing what works,
what is practical, what is beautifful. Do you see any of the top boat
designers designing sailboats that look like Macs? NO! I'd venture Bob
Perry would gag. I'd say Buddy Melges would have a stroke. The French
designers would spit on you. Maybe you'd find someone in your court from
the old Coronado/Irwin camps....but probably not. You are buying a
butt-ugly, unaesthetic boat that is neither fish nor foul but a
hermaphrodite. And like most hermaphrodites, it is impotent.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

katysails wrote:

Jim asked:
What education or degrees do you have that relate to aesthetics?

Actually, I did take some art courses, and I've visited art museums in
many countries and observed the design of lots of boats over the years.
But if you read my note carefully, I didn't actually claim to be an
expert in aesthetics. In fact, I didn't say anything about the good
looks of the new Mac, since it's all very subjective, and in the eye of
the beholder anyway, as you say. (It's not surprising that a klutz like
Johnathan wouldn't be capable of appreciating it.)

Actually, all I did was question Johnathan as to why anyone should
respect HIS opinions regarding boat design or aesthetics.

Jim



Give me a break. Now you are being absolutely ludicrous. Aesthetics is in
the eye of the beholder...and that includes art. There is no degree that
teaches you that. Aesthetics come from experience, from knowing what works,
what is practical, what is beautifful. Do you see any of the top boat
designers designing sailboats that look like Macs? NO! I'd venture Bob
Perry would gag. I'd say Buddy Melges would have a stroke. The French
designers would spit on you. Maybe you'd find someone in your court from
the old Coronado/Irwin camps....but probably not. You are buying a
butt-ugly, unaesthetic boat that is neither fish nor foul but a
hermaphrodite. And like most hermaphrodites, it is impotent.

MacBoy,

Actually, given your lack of sophistication, I'm not shocked that
you would like they're looks.

And, FYI, if you don't think I have a valid point about the Mac
being butt-ugly, then why are you so worked up about it??

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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katysails wrote:

Jim asked:
What education or degrees do you have that relate to aesthetics?

Actually, I did take some art courses, and I've visited art museums in
many countries and observed the design of lots of boats over the years.
But if you read my note carefully, I didn't actually claim to be an
expert in aesthetics. In fact, I didn't say anything about the good
looks of the new Mac, since it's all very subjective, and in the eye of
the beholder anyway, as you say. (It's not surprising that a klutz like
Johnathan wouldn't be capable of appreciating it.)

Actually, all I did was question Johnathan as to why anyone should
respect HIS opinions regarding boat design or aesthetics.

Jim



Give me a break. Now you are being absolutely ludicrous. Aesthetics is
in
the eye of the beholder...and that includes art. There is no degree
that
teaches you that. Aesthetics come from experience, from knowing what
works,
what is practical, what is beautifful. Do you see any of the top boat
designers designing sailboats that look like Macs? NO! I'd venture Bob
Perry would gag. I'd say Buddy Melges would have a stroke. The French
designers would spit on you. Maybe you'd find someone in your court
from
the old Coronado/Irwin camps....but probably not. You are buying a
butt-ugly, unaesthetic boat that is neither fish nor foul but a
hermaphrodite. And like most hermaphrodites, it is impotent.

You are quite correct, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but please,
don't post a picture of your wife or children.

Cheers MC

Jim Cate wrote:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's blue and butt-ugly.


Johnathan, appearance is in the eye of the beholder (I personally prefer
the white hull), but what qualifies you to make judgments like that? Do
you have training in art, yacht design, color selection and matching?
What education or degrees do you have that relate to aesthetics?

In any event, the appearance of the Mac 26M is sufficiently attractive
that MacGregor can't come close to meeting the demand for the boat. (And
don't try to tell me that the comments of contributors to this ng
"prove" your point. - 95% of the participants on this ng are obviously
biased regarding MacGregor and would put down whatever design they came
up with.)

Jim

Macboy, it's butt-ugly in the same way that you're stupid.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's blue and butt-ugly.

Johnathan, appearance is in the eye of the beholder (I personally prefer
the white hull), but what qualifies you to make judgments like that? Do
you have training in art, yacht design, color selection and matching?
What education or degrees do you have that relate to aesthetics?

In any event, the appearance of the Mac 26M is sufficiently attractive
that MacGregor can't come close to meeting the demand for the boat.
(And don't try to tell me that the comments of contributors to this ng
"prove" your point. - 95% of the participants on this ng are obviously
biased regarding MacGregor and would put down whatever design they came
up with.)

Jim

gross

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Boo

"Shen44" wrote in message ...
bject: STOP the MADNESS
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 04/27/2004 15:52 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

Do try to keep up Donal.... Bob is now claiming to be "Jim Cate" and I
doubt he is entertaining a Mac26M


Bob makes a lot of claims, non of which are even remotely based on the truth.

Jax



Now, there's the "pot calling the kettle, black" ....crawling out from under
the ole rock I see, sir, "runstheenginesatanchor" jax.......

Shen

For that much money, you could buy a sailboat.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Just look at the POS!
http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp

A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative.

Scotty