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STOP the MADNESS
Just look at the POS!
http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative. Scotty |
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STOP the MADNESS
CRIPES!!!!!!!
I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the PHRF rating of a margarine container. You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where" contract with a brothel. I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"...... CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Just look at the POS! | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp | | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative. | | Scotty | |
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STOP the MADNESS
smoke & mirrors.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"...... |
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STOP the MADNESS
Capt. Mooron wrote: CRIPES!!!!!!! I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the PHRF rating of a margarine container. You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where" contract with a brothel. I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"...... CM There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast, etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the past few weeks. Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't have much interest in the facts, do you CM? Jim "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Just look at the POS! | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp | | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative. | | Scotty | |
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STOP the MADNESS
It's still a piece of junk.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast, etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the past few weeks. Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't have much interest in the facts, do you CM? Jim |
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STOP the MADNESS
"She's Dead Jim"......
I've been on a couple of Macs... the 19 the 26X. I've sailed on them.... [ and I use the term lightly].... in a variety of conditions. In each case and condition..... the vessels have never disappointed me in their ability to deliver substandard performance parameters and yet exceed the boundaries of discomfort. What truly renders this magnificent design so unique...... is it's capacity to operate as either a power boat or sailboat while maintaining it's reputation as the worst of both worlds. Now you may well see this as boat bashing..... but in truth it's merely enlightenment. The Macgregor is a vessel suited to those of little cash, no experience and lacking all concept of boating in general. The boat is suited for it's purpose...... I believe that you merely feel uncomfortable with the mantle dictated by ownership. Don't worry Jim... we're laughing at you .... not with you. ;-) CM "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... | | | Capt. Mooron wrote: | CRIPES!!!!!!! | | I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what | amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the | PHRF rating of a margarine container. | | You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where" | contract with a brothel. | | I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"...... | | CM | | | | There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely | new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast, | etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the | past few weeks. | | Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on | the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't | have much interest in the facts, do you CM? | | Jim | | | | | | | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | ... | | Just look at the POS! | | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp | | | | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative. | | | | Scotty | | | | | |
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Capt. Mooron wrote: "She's Dead Jim"...... I've been on a couple of Macs... the 19 the 26X. I've sailed on them.... [ and I use the term lightly].... in a variety of conditions. In each case and condition..... the vessels have never disappointed me in their ability to deliver substandard performance parameters and yet exceed the boundaries of discomfort. What truly renders this magnificent design so unique...... is it's capacity to operate as either a power boat or sailboat while maintaining it's reputation as the worst of both worlds. Now you may well see this as boat bashing..... but in truth it's merely enlightenment. The Macgregor is a vessel suited to those of little cash, no experience and lacking all concept of boating in general. The boat is suited for it's purpose...... I believe that you merely feel uncomfortable with the mantle dictated by ownership. Don't worry Jim... we're laughing at you .... not with you. ;-) CM You've sailed several Macs (but not the 26M). I've sailed O'Days, Catalinas, Valiants, Endeavors, Cals, etc., in the 30 to 40 ft range. They all have their good points, but none of them compares with the Mac as far as versatility and resolution of the time issue. Jim "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... | | | Capt. Mooron wrote: | CRIPES!!!!!!! | | I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what | amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the | PHRF rating of a margarine container. | | You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where" | contract with a brothel. | | I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"...... | | CM | | | | There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely | new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast, | etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the | past few weeks. | | Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on | the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't | have much interest in the facts, do you CM? | | Jim | | | | | | | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | ... | | Just look at the POS! | | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp | | | | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative. | | | | Scotty | | | | | |
#8
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STOP the MADNESS
And none of them except the Mac would be bought by a fool like you.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Capt. Mooron wrote: "She's Dead Jim"...... I've been on a couple of Macs... the 19 the 26X. I've sailed on them.... [ and I use the term lightly].... in a variety of conditions. In each case and condition..... the vessels have never disappointed me in their ability to deliver substandard performance parameters and yet exceed the boundaries of discomfort. What truly renders this magnificent design so unique...... is it's capacity to operate as either a power boat or sailboat while maintaining it's reputation as the worst of both worlds. Now you may well see this as boat bashing..... but in truth it's merely enlightenment. The Macgregor is a vessel suited to those of little cash, no experience and lacking all concept of boating in general. The boat is suited for it's purpose...... I believe that you merely feel uncomfortable with the mantle dictated by ownership. Don't worry Jim... we're laughing at you .... not with you. ;-) CM You've sailed several Macs (but not the 26M). I've sailed O'Days, Catalinas, Valiants, Endeavors, Cals, etc., in the 30 to 40 ft range. They all have their good points, but none of them compares with the Mac as far as versatility and resolution of the time issue. Jim "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... | | | Capt. Mooron wrote: | CRIPES!!!!!!! | | I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what | amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the | PHRF rating of a margarine container. | | You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where" | contract with a brothel. | | I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"...... | | CM | | | | There are major differences between the two boats, including an entirely | new hull design, new keel, new sail configuration, different ballast, | etc., etc., etc. These differences have been discussed in detail in the | past few weeks. | | Of course, if you are more interested in posting Mac-Bashing notes on | the ng and getting "atta-boys" from your buddies, you probably don't | have much interest in the facts, do you CM? | | Jim | | | | | | | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | ... | | Just look at the POS! | | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp | | | | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative. | | | | Scotty | | | | | |
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STOP the MADNESS
Dear Capt Moron,
The cost of a Mac 26M with 50 hp motor is substantially less than 32K for a fully equipped boat. Nevertheless, however, 32K is a BARGAIN for a boat of this quality, versatility, capability. Incidentally, if, as you say, the Mac 26 is only a "cheap plastic piece of ****" that is "dangerously under rigged," then there must be hundreds of them that are falling apart every year, right? Since MacGregor has sold over 30,000 boats, there must be at least 5,000 of them in which the rigging has come apart in a moderate wind, or in which the boat has simply self-destructed and sunk. - Right? If it's dangerously under rigged, the rigging must be coming apart every time they go out in moderate winds. (Incidentally, Capt, while you are at it, can you explain to me why the MacGregor boats, with 300 sq ft of sail, need the same type of standing rigging as boats with 1,500 ft of sail, and a 4,000 - 6,000 lead keel.) Of the some MacGregor 30,000 boats, how many do you know of that have failed, or sunk, or fallen apart because of build quality or "cheap plastic", excluding user error? - 2,000, perhaps? Maybe 1,000?? Surely you must know of 500, Moron. Ok, if not 500, how about 100? I'm talking about yearly averages, not anecdotes, by the way. In other words, can you back up your (libelous) remarks? Jim Capt. Mooron wrote: CRIPES!!!!!!! I tagged the basics and ended up with a cost of over 32 grand for what amounts to a dangerously under rigged, cheap plastic piece of **** with the PHRF rating of a margarine container. You won't get pussy on that boat unless you have a "As when And Where" contract with a brothel. I can't see any major difference between the "X" & "M"...... CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Just look at the POS! | http://www.havencraft.com/Index.asp | | A pic is worth a thousand words, in this case all negative. | | Scotty | |
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STOP the MADNESS
Jim Cate wrote:
... Since MacGregor has sold over 30,000 boats, there must be at least 5,000 of them in which the rigging has come apart in a moderate wind, or in which the boat has simply self-destructed and sunk. |
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