"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens
control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats.

you are talking aboutthe special case of chartering below.

OK.
46CFR221 goes into some detail about the process of chartering, including the
permissions required to charter to non-citizens and the fees involved
(several
hundred dollars) to obtain this approval.

However, 46CFR221.11:
(b)(1) The approvals required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section
are not required for the following Documented Vessel types if the vessel
has been operated exclusively and with bona fides for one or more of the
following uses, under a Certificate of Documentation with an appropriate
endorsement and no other, since initial documentation or renewal of its
documentation following construction, conversion, or transfer from
foreign registry, or, if it has not yet so operated, if the vessel has
been designed and built and will be operated for one or more of the
following uses:
...
(iv) A Pleasure vessel.


Once again, jaxie, you're busted.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
sorry, dude. That's your job.

sorry, dude. aliens are not allowed to document a boat in the US. In
addition, aliens are not allowed to operate a US documented boat without
a
citizen aboard.

maybe charter boats have a special exemption? maybe the CG doesn't
check?

Maybe there's no such regulation? The CFR is online, jaxie, it shouldn't
be
too
hard for you to find the reg.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US and
how he might document (or register) that boat.

The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can he
control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him
doing so. Period.

Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters.
*some* countries will accept state registration.

To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card.
To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa.

The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get
either a SS card or a visa in this country.

He is **** out of luck. As well he should be.

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now
claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen
that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

I'm not quoting out of context. You claimed twice that it was absolutely
illegal for a non-citizen to operate a documented vessel without a citizen
onboard. That is simply not true. For chartering commercial vessels, special
permission must be applied for, but this is not required for pleasure boats.
Fishing vessels are a special case - there are severe restrictions on chartering
to non-citizens.

As to the issue of selling a boat - I was the first to point out that the
Documentation would lapse if it was sold.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US
and
how he might document (or register) that boat.

The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can
he
control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him
doing so. Period.

Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters.
*some* countries will accept state registration.

To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card.
To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa.

The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get
either a SS card or a visa in this country.

He is **** out of luck. As well he should be.

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now
claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen
that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

jeffies, you idiot. you found a special chartering case to support a point
that was not under discussion.

PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE THEY LET A NONCITIZEN OPERATE
THEIR BOAT.

to anyone who has a documented boat and has noncitizen friends or a spouse who
might be inclined to use your boat without you aboard, do consider that if the
CG boards your boat -- and even a safety check -- you can lose your
documentation. Ignore jeffies. It is your boat, your documentation.

I'm not quoting out of context. You claimed twice that it was absolutely
illegal for a non-citizen to operate a documented vessel without a citizen
onboard. That is simply not true. For chartering commercial vessels,
special
permission must be applied for, but this is not required for pleasure boats.
Fishing vessels are a special case - there are severe restrictions on
chartering
to non-citizens.

As to the issue of selling a boat - I was the first to point out that the
Documentation would lapse if it was sold.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering.
The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US
and
how he might document (or register) that boat.

The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor
can
he
control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by
him
doing so. Period.

Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its
waters.
*some* countries will accept state registration.

To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID
card.
To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa.

The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not
get
either a SS card or a visa in this country.

He is **** out of luck. As well he should be.

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now
claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a
Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a
Noncitizen
that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Buzi boy asked: What planet are you from? Does your finger cure =
sickness? Do you
phone home?

He said "undesirable"...ET was desirable...

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Gee Ric, you're a Simon Cowell look-alike....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Ric,
Aren't you afriad some half-crazed operative is going to come guning for =
you one day? =20

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

kates, I bet you thought Caryl Chessman was "cute", too.

Gee Ric, you're a Simon Cowell look-alike....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Martin Baxter wrote in message ...
Capt.American wrote:



Whats the name of the book you wrote?

You could try following the link that he posted.

Yo numb nuts, He had no link with his first post.

Cheers 2U

Capt. American

Cheers
Marty

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"Ric" wrote in message ...
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Capt.American wrote:



Whats the name of the book you wrote?

You could try following the link that he posted.

Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't
really have a "home country"

Whats wrong crybaby, no ones stupid enough to have a traitor for a
citizen?


and I would also far rather not have it under
US flag if I can avoid it

Then dont buy it douch bag! Keep your sticking money.

as I quite like to have boats of other
nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want the
USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US war
machine.

Kiss my ass dick breath, I had waves and friendly conversation from
boats and people from all over this earth. Sounds like the USCG needs
to be inspecting traitors like you, no telling what your stealing or
who your selling out.. Do us all a favor and stay out of US waters,
your not welcome. Your Un-desireable.

I just hope the National security office picks up on you.

Key words for echelon NIS, CIA, FBI : Bomb-nuclear-Bio dirty . End of
Key words

Please investigate this mans (Ric the author) actions he is an
undesireable alien , track him down and ship him to gitmo.

Capt. American


Capt. American