MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Mr Cate, if you will read the fine brochure put out by my writers you
will see that we do not recommend taking a Mac 26 M Powersailer out to
'blue water'. For your own safety DO NOT sail or motor a Mac 26 M
powersailer more than 3 miles offshore. You have been warned, in front
of many witnesses. Any injuries, deaths, or losses due to a Mac 26 M
Powersailer past the 3 mile limit will be your own damn fault. We ARE
NOT responsible for your boat!

Roger MacGregor


"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.


John, if you're your really that stressed out, remember that you don't
have to read any of my notes at all if you don't want to. - Just press
your down arrow and skip right on by them. - It may be several weeks
before I can get out to the blue water on my Mac, and by skipping by my
notes, you can get pretty much the same effect as you might if I were
lost at sea.



Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You're rather typical of Mac owners... stupid.

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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You are a total fool. Why would I want to sail a boat in 30 foot breaking
waves? And, even if I did, it would not go to the bottom unless, like you,
I was stupid enough to let the water below decks.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I agree...

But have you sailed a Valiant 40, or any discplacement boat of similar
size, in 30-ft breaking waves Ganz? It does some pretty strange things.
And if it goes over, the 10,000-lb keel quickly pulls the boat to the
bottom of the ocean.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Yes. You don't have anything substantive to say.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Nothing substantive to say, Scott?

Scott Vernon wrote:

Jimbo has a son?

"Veridican" veridican Cate @aol.com wrote...

You can sail the Mac 75 miles off shore. A guy went around the world in
a

23

foot boat (see the movie The Dove). You can sail any boat 75 miles off

shore.

But everyone wants to act like one boat is better in a storm than
another

boat.

BS. If I were 75 miles off shore and got into a squall in a Mac, like I

would

with any damn boat, I'd lower the sails and run with it. Or I'd roll out

just a

little jib and try to keep head to wind.

I mean, you're not really going to ask me to believe that a Valient 40
is
better off in 30 ft breaking waves than a Mac are you?

Any 26 ft boat should sail the coast line (5-10 miles off shore), not

cross the

ocean. But if you don't get hit by a storm, it really doesn't matter,
does

it?

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You think? Wow. That's amazing.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Veridican wrote:

You can sail the Mac 75 miles off shore. A guy went around the world in
a 23
foot boat (see the movie The Dove). You can sail any boat 75 miles off
shore.

But everyone wants to act like one boat is better in a storm than
another boat.
BS. If I were 75 miles off shore and got into a squall in a Mac, like I
would
with any damn boat, I'd lower the sails and run with it. Or I'd roll out
just a
little jib and try to keep head to wind.

I think I would put down the sails and deploy a storm anchor, to keep
the bow facing windward. t



I mean, you're not really going to ask me to believe that a Valient 40
is
better off in 30 ft breaking waves than a Mac are you?

Any 26 ft boat should sail the coast line (5-10 miles off shore), not
cross the
ocean. But if you don't get hit by a storm, it really doesn't matter,
does it?

The Veridican

If you were only 5-10 miles offshore and were sailing a Mac with a 50Hp
motor, you could probably motor in before the storm reached you.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

More likely it'll be never, since you're not a sailor... probably
never sailed in your life.

I think you're the one who's stressed. You bought that piece
of garbage without knowing what you're getting into.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.


John, if you're your really that stressed out, remember that you don't
have to read any of my notes at all if you don't want to. - Just press
your down arrow and skip right on by them. - It may be several weeks
before I can get out to the blue water on my Mac, and by skipping by my
notes, you can get pretty much the same effect as you might if I were
lost at sea.



Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Hahaha... now, now. I think you shouldn't discourage him!

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"Roger MacGregor" wrote in message
om...
Mr Cate, if you will read the fine brochure put out by my writers you
will see that we do not recommend taking a Mac 26 M Powersailer out to
'blue water'. For your own safety DO NOT sail or motor a Mac 26 M
powersailer more than 3 miles offshore. You have been warned, in front
of many witnesses. Any injuries, deaths, or losses due to a Mac 26 M
Powersailer past the 3 mile limit will be your own damn fault. We ARE
NOT responsible for your boat!

Roger MacGregor


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.


John, if you're your really that stressed out, remember that you don't
have to read any of my notes at all if you don't want to. - Just press
your down arrow and skip right on by them. - It may be several weeks
before I can get out to the blue water on my Mac, and by skipping by my
notes, you can get pretty much the same effect as you might if I were
lost at sea.



Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote

If you were 5-10 miles offshore and were sailing
a Mac you'd be dead by now.

jimbo

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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My boat has enough foam in her construction to float the basic hull. In
addition, she has 6 watertight flotation chambers, four across the boat
forward,
forming a "collision bulkhead," and two aft. Also, I have two complete
hulls
(though I wouldn't call her "double-hulled") running the full length. I
have no
lead keel, but the fiberglass keels are designed to breakaway without
damaging
the hull.

I don't worry much about sinking, but I didn't worry that much with my
previous
boat which did not have these advantages. The vast majority of sinkings
happen
at the dock and are an insurance headache, not life threatening. The only
reason why this is an issue for a Mac is that they are so lightly built is
easy
to see how it might be compromised.

Your boat is an unusual design.

No, it a pretty standard design for a crusing catamaran. BTW, you once
mentioned the possibility for spending over $50K for this boat. For that money,
you could have bought a used Gemini 30 or maybe a F27. Shallow draft, speed
under power and sail, a LOT more fun.



Not many on his ng would float after a
collision. - In most of them, the lead keel would quickly drag the boat
down to the bottom.

Most of the boats owned by this group would not be holed by a collision. In
fact, I've seen a variety of "booboos" but I can't remember one now that put a
boat at serious risk of sinking. (I'm sure one will come to mind.) However,
I've seen a few that if the target had been a Mac, it would have been chopped in
half. BTW, positive flotation isn't unique to the Mac. Its required on all
small boats, and pretty common on boats up to 25 feet. I'm sure the Hunter
water ballast boats have positive floatation. The problem is that while it
takes a lot of water to sink a large boat, a small one can be taken down pretty
easily.



I agree that sinking because of a failure or accident is a rare event.
But it's nice to know that you won't wake up in the middle of the night
with the boat filling with water, and having to make a frantic search
for the faulty through hull hose or connection. Or finding out that
your displacement boat can't quite sail (or motor) on through 15-30-ft
breaking waves.

You seem to be very concerned with 30 foot breaking waves. You need
professional help, not a boat.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Then why post?

"Jim Cate" wrote
Nothing substantive to say, Scott.