MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

No. Even iguana boy is smarter.

And more entertaining.


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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

What the hell is "double hulled" How can a boat be double hulled. I mean one
can have a layer, then a foam core--let's say, and then another layer, but
that's still just one hull.

And as far as penetrated, I never worried about that with the Mac. With any
boat, if you sail it into the rocks, you're ****ed.

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You can sail the Mac 75 miles off shore. A guy went around the world in a 23
foot boat (see the movie The Dove). You can sail any boat 75 miles off shore.

But everyone wants to act like one boat is better in a storm than another boat.
BS. If I were 75 miles off shore and got into a squall in a Mac, like I would
with any damn boat, I'd lower the sails and run with it. Or I'd roll out just a
little jib and try to keep head to wind.

I mean, you're not really going to ask me to believe that a Valient 40 is
better off in 30 ft breaking waves than a Mac are you?

Any 26 ft boat should sail the coast line (5-10 miles off shore), not cross the
ocean. But if you don't get hit by a storm, it really doesn't matter, does it?

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
You're still solving problems that don't exist. This is only important on a
mac
where the hull it too thin given the speed it can attain (if you empty the
ballast, leave the mast and sails at the dock, carry one gallon of fuel, and
singlehand).

And, you have to be luck enough to hit something in the middle, not on the
side
of the boat. What are you going to do when you see a log? Aim for it so
you
hit dead on, rather than a glancing blow?



Obviously, the problem would arise when you DIDN'T see a partially
submerged log, not when you see one in time to avoid it.


You keep claiming it's a safety factor if you hit it just right. What it you
see a log, try to avoid it, but hit it on the side? Are you going to give
your grandkids life jackets that work half the time?

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I think we have a new leader for "Troll of the Year"!

Good one, Ed.

"Veridican" wrote in message
...

I mean, you're not really going to ask me to believe that a Valient 40 is
better off in 30 ft breaking waves than a Mac are you?

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Yes & Yes.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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That it doesn't have a double hull and that MacBoy is
a cretin.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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about what?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Are you sure??

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Jim Cate" wrote


right. And a Mac 26 M does NOT have a double hull.


Maybe.

Stop acting like an obnoxious little prick. There's no maybe about
it,
no
probably, or possibly, or almost. Listen up dickweed, the MAC 26
IS
****N
O T**** DOUBLE HULLED!






And what if it were penetrated where the sink drain through hull
wasn't?


Man the pumps and patch the breech PDQ.

Scotty

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jimbo has a son?

"Veridican" veridican Cate @aol.com wrote...
You can sail the Mac 75 miles off shore. A guy went around the world in a
23
foot boat (see the movie The Dove). You can sail any boat 75 miles off
shore.

But everyone wants to act like one boat is better in a storm than another
boat.
BS. If I were 75 miles off shore and got into a squall in a Mac, like I
would
with any damn boat, I'd lower the sails and run with it. Or I'd roll out
just a
little jib and try to keep head to wind.

I mean, you're not really going to ask me to believe that a Valient 40 is
better off in 30 ft breaking waves than a Mac are you?

Any 26 ft boat should sail the coast line (5-10 miles off shore), not
cross the
ocean. But if you don't get hit by a storm, it really doesn't matter, does
it?

The Veridican

double hulled
 

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Does that mean we could have another Great Molasses Disaster? As my daughter
would say, "Oh, the Huge Manatee!"

Here in Houston they have a big Molasses loading dock. Just yesterday
we were talking about how the molasses ship would grow as much as 4
feet when they were loaded. Had to load slow some times to keep from
blowing the rivets out of the old tankers.


Joe











"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...
They all are.... it's an IMO requirement. The phase out date for
single hull and DB hulled I believe has been moved up.
This does not mean that there still aren't some single hulls out there,
but they are slowly disappearing or moving into a trade, where what they
carry does not fall under "oil" transport.

otn

Scott Vernon wrote:
aren't some (most?) of the new super tankers double hulled?

Scotty

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...


Jim Cate wrote:


Jeff Morris wrote:


Jim, you're turning into an outright liar now. Its been pointed out
to you that
the "second wall" only covers a portion of the below water surface,
probably
less than half, and this does not include the vulnerable chines.
Frankly, many
boats have integral tanks of some sort - unless they cover most of the
surface
they do not provide the safety factor you're claiming.


As discussed in detail above, the water ballast extend for some2/3rds of
the length of the vessel and it protects the most vulnerable (lowermost.
central) portion fo the hull. Although you may not want to call the
extra wall a "double hull," it actually serves the same purpose. - If it
walks like a duck, and talks like a ducke....why not call it a duck.

Two points:
1. A double hull is exactly that (no duck walks allowed) a double hull,
complete from main deck down around the keel and back to the main deck,
pointy end to blunt end. In boats, this is an important distinction.
A double bottom hull is an inner an outer hull from the fwd
perpendicular to the after perpendicular, for the full width of the

bottom.

From what I see of the pictures and drawings, your Mac doesn't qualify
for either, unless your a salesman..

2. Three hundred pounds of permanent ballast, is meaningless, unless you
know how it relates to the vessels initial stability, and since
stability seems to be an issue, I'd suggest you learn what this is,
before you claim it as a positive.

In following this thread, the one factor I'm seeing is a very
inexperienced boater, with a great need of education in many areas.

otn

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

A hull within a hull. Some ships (tankers) have them in case the outside
hull is holed, the inside hull will keep her afloat and keep the oil out of
our ocean.

Scotty


"Veridican" wrote in message
...
What the hell is "double hulled" How can a boat be double hulled. I mean
one
can have a layer, then a foam core--let's say, and then another layer, but
that's still just one hull.

And as far as penetrated, I never worried about that with the Mac. With
any
boat, if you sail it into the rocks, you're ****ed.

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I agree...

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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I think we have a new leader for "Troll of the Year"!

Good one, Ed.

"Veridican" wrote in message
...

I mean, you're not really going to ask me to believe that a Valient 40
is
better off in 30 ft breaking waves than a Mac are you?