MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You're a liar and a fraud as best as I can tell. You're an old fool
at best.


Wrong again, Johnny. Check the notes posted on this newsgroup in March
of 1997, and thereafter.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

you're clearly not much of sailor, having bought a Mac.



"Jim Cate" agreed and wrote ...

I'm not a sailor, since I bought
a Mac.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

Scotty wrote....

the Mac26Xm is a cheap plastic piece of crap that doesn't sail worth a

damn.


"Jim Cate" wrote ...


Agreed.

Jim


And your boat is made of wood? Ferrocement? Iron? Aluminum?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

Maybe. But if the Mac inner liner serves the same purpose, if the
central, lowermost portion of the hull is penetrated, then it's a case
of the Mac walking like a duck, swimming like a duck, and quacking
like a duck. Seems to me that whether you call it a doublehull or
not is actually a non sequitor.

If, if, if.

You're spouting third-rate garbage. You made a generalsed claim and are now
trying to redefine it in terms of the call that was made on your claim -
it's called the "no true Scotsman move".


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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


Actually, it is a double hull, although I don't think that MacGregor is
advertising the boat has having a double hull.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a

duck.............................................. ..........................
.................................................. ....................


if it sounds like an asshole, and writes like an asshole, jim must be an
asshole.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

What I'm saying is that "there aren't many owners of Macs
that would open themselves up to the kind of ridicule that
you've done. Even they are smarter than you, because they've
figured out Macs are crap and don't wish to embarrass themselves
any further in public.

So MacBoy.. when are you going to prove you didn't buy your
boat prior to posting about buying it?


What form of "proof" would satisfy you, Johnny? I don't think my dealer
would appreciate my posting a copy of the order form, but perhaps some
other form of evidence would do the same thing.

Ji

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I'm very lucky to be able to get
one of the few available this year.


I don't know about lucky, but it's true about Macs, you have to wait for them.
I suppose it's because they're the least expensive 26 footer out there.

Look, most people buy a boat that size and never sail it, so what difference
does it make what kind of quality it is. It can stand up to rain in the slip or
driveway as good as any other boat.

My wife and I are day sailors in our 14.5 foot Hunter. But we sail on the ocean
and we sail all the time. That's what matters.

The Veridican

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You're still solving problems that don't exist. This is only important on a mac
where the hull it too thin given the speed it can attain (if you empty the
ballast, leave the mast and sails at the dock, carry one gallon of fuel, and
singlehand).

And, you have to be luck enough to hit something in the middle, not on the side
of the boat. What are you going to do when you see a log? Aim for it so you
hit dead on, rather than a glancing blow?


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:

It only covers 1/3 of the width, and its the least likely part of the hull
to
hit something. Hitting bottom is no going to sink the boat, not when it
only
draw a foot. Hitting a floating object while you're in deep water is the
real
risk. That's why having an extra layer along the waterline is meaningless.

It's not "along the waterline." It's below the waterline. And in a boat
plaining under power, the portion protected by the extra wall is
precisely the area most likely to be damaged by impacts with submerged
objects just below the surface.


Of
course, mac are not marketed to people that understand the real risks -
that's
why their marketing department makes up nonsense like this.

Claiming over and over that its a "double hull" just makes you sound like
an
idiot.

Actually, it is a double hull, although I don't think that MacGregor is
advertising the boat has having a double hull.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a

duck.............................................. ..............................
.................................................. ................



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:


Jim, you're turning into an outright liar now. Its been pointed out to you

that

the "second wall" only covers a portion of the below water surface,
probably
less than half, and this does not include the vulnerable chines. Frankly,

many

boats have integral tanks of some sort - unless they cover most of the

surface

they do not provide the safety factor you're claiming.

As discussed in detail above, the water ballast extend for some2/3rds of
the length of the vessel and it protects the most vulnerable (lowermost.
central) portion fo the hull. Although you may not want to call the
extra wall a "double hull," it actually serves the same purpose. - If it
walks like a duck, and talks like a ducke....why not call it a duck.


BTW, if your ballast tank is punctured, the water would partially drain,

(Unless the boat turtled or pitch polled and then remained in an
inverted position (despite the safety factors such as flotaion in the
mast itself, and the permanent ballast in the hull), why do you think
the water in the ballast tank would drain, since it is positioned below
the cg of the boat?
leaving

the boat dangerously unstable.

You don't seem to get it. - Would you prefer to be on a displacement
boat with no floatation whatsoever, in which the keel would pull the
boat to the bottom QUICKLY if the cabin were filled with water?


Since far more people drown from falling off

capsized boats than from sinking boats (by a huge margin, like 30 to 1),

Jeff, where did you get those statistics ("like, 30 to 1"). PLEASE
PROVIDE LISTINGS OF YOUR SOURCES AND CITES TO ANY WEBSITES YOU ARE
CITING. ALSO, PLEASE INCLUDE THE VOLUME, DATE, PAGE NUMBERS, ETC., OF
ANY ARTICLES OR BOOKS YOU ARE CITING.


its not

clear you can call this a safety factor at all.



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott, whether or not you call it double hulled, IT DOES INCLUDE A
SECOND wall above its lowermost hull that SERVES THE PURPOSE of keeping
water out of the cabin if the lower hull is compromised. And although
the second wall doesn't extend over all the hull, IT DOES extend over
the lowermost portion thereof, and it does extend for around 2/3rd. the
length of the boat. - If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck,
and serves the same purpose as a second hull......it doesn't make much
difference whether you call it a double hull or not.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


I was hoping to get some reports from contributors who had actually
sailed the 26M (not the previous models), or who had spoken with
experienced sailors who had sailed the boat. No one on this ng had
sailed the boat, and few had spoken with anyone who had. If someone on
the ng had actually sailed the boat, his or her report regarding how
the boat handled under varying conditions would have been helpful.


So, armed with this lack of information, you went and bought one. Why do
that when, by your own admission, you aren't sufficiently well informed to
assert its worthiness?


In any such decision, one likes to gather as much substantive
information possible for consideration before making a decision. In this
case, I got little if any substantive information from this ng. This was
a significant clue. - It told me that much of the "Mac Bashers" really
didn't have any direct knowledge of the 26M, and that most of the Mac
Bashing had no basis in fact. It further told me that many on this ng
who commented on the Macs really didn't know what the hell they were
talking about.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote ...

In other words, the Mac includes an additional liner in the hull


it's a frickin ballast tank you asshole!



Although you may be right .
I don't have
the basic integrity and intellectual honesty to admit that I'm
wrong, and that I've never sailed the26m, or that I really
don't know what I'm talking about.

If it walks like an ass, and quacks like an
ass .......................................

Jim