horvath, what stainless steel lifelines on Lake of the Isles?

rom: Horvath
Date: 2/19/2004 6:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:36:42 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

That's stupid. The plastic protects the sails from chafe and the
hands from fishhooks. The downside is that rust can develop
beneath the plastic which shortens the life of the lines, but then
you shouldn't be relying on them anyway. They're the grap of
last resort.

Rust? Mine are stainless steel, dumbass.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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jonny, it means you didn't understand the context of the sentence,
therefore
the substitution of one letter for another and the elimination of a third
letter in a message of maybe ninety letters has left you completely
baffled.



Rubbish!



Regards


Donal
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"Dufus" wrote in message
.. .
You are correct, I was wrong. Gee, I learned something today even if I
did
get flamed for my ignorance.


Pah! You didn't get flamed.

You commited a very minor misdemeanour(sp?), and you attracted the
attention of BinaryBill.

BB is nothing more than a Big girl's Blouse. You mustn't misinterpret his
small minded insults.


He isn't capable of a proper flame!



Regards


Donal
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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As do most real sailors. But, I think Dufus made a typo.

Exactly. Every *real* sailor understood him.

Binary Bill has managed to embarrass hinself once again.



Regards


Donal
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I usually only think of irony in terms of truthful statements. You speak in
"ironic" terms of 20 ft. seas but you can't prove you've ever been offshore?
WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!! That is ironic. I, otoh, was offshore as recently as
last November and can prove it. In fact, you can't even prove you're more
than a figment of your own imagination, "Jax". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
John Cairns
"JAXAshby" rose up on his hind legs and yipped
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Racko-Nos, you missed the irony of the statement. I think _actual_
four-foot
waves would frighten you so much you could come back talking about seeing
20
foot waves.

As high as the freeboard?

Sorry, but how does one tell in advance on someone else's boat whether
or not a lifeline is "proper"? There is no way. In fact, a lifeline can
become
as you put it compromised without even the boat owner realizing it. One
should NEVER rely on a piece of safety equipment vs. common sense.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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2) They won't necessarily catch you. They'll break, especially under your
considerable weight.

On Yoda, a sudden lurch caught my friend off guard and he toppled from the
cabin trunk. The lines caught him, though at 6'6 and near 300lbs he
certainly
tested them. There's no way a proper lifeline will break from someone's
weight,
unless the core is rotted or the lines are bad. NO WAY.

RB

Probably right, but people do use them for balance. I don't have any on
my boat, so it's not an issue. On the boats on which I teach, I make sure
people are crouching or crawling if they have to go forward in bad
conditions.

"John Cairns" wrote in message
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That was a rhetorical flourish. I've never thought of lifelines as a
primary
safety item, mainly for the reason that they won't keep you on the boat if
push comes to shove. Last summer when we were doing the feeder race for
Bay
Week I went under the lifelines up to my thighs on the bow of the J-33. If
I
had been unfortunate enough to be unconscious at the time I would have
keep
right on going. The stanchion was the grip of last resort at the time. And
of course I have gone forward in a crouch when conditions merited it. My
point was, and remains, they are not an important safety item for the
primary reason that they will not keep you on the boat in the types of
conditions you're referring to, and thinking of them as such is silly and
naive. Even relying on them in moderate conditions would be hubris at
best.
John Cairns
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Actually, I've done that several times, even in the bay. It can get
pretty
rough.
Certainly off the coast also.

"John Cairns" wrote in message
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So, when you go forward you crawl on your hands and knees? You really
need
to spend some time offshore Bob.
John Cairns
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Lifelines are very useful and important:
1) Working forward, stay low and they can and will catch you
2) If you take a fall from anywhere, accept over them, they can and
will
catch you
RB

Sounds like major backpeddling to me.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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My
point was, and remains, they are not an important safety item for the
primary reason that they will not keep you on the boat in the types of
conditions you're referring to

John, you just said that the lines saved you from going overboard. No
safety
item will save your life under all conditions. But lifelines can be an
important factor as you've just shown. You WERE conscous and the lines
kept you
aboard. They've done the same for me twice. As I said, that's more than my
fire
extinguishers have done!
Every safety item on a boat contributes and should be given equal care and
respect, from life lines to a flare gun. They are ALL primary safety
measures.
That's a smart philosphy that every boater should follow. Anything less
leads
to neglect and a level of safety is lost or comrpomised.

RB

Jackass, sounds like you have plenty of experience on your knees.
Thanks for the advice.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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jonny, stay on your feet, don't go to your knees. more control that way.

Actually, I've done that several times, even in the bay. It can get
pretty
rough.
Certainly off the coast also.

"John Cairns" wrote in message
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So, when you go forward you crawl on your hands and knees? You really
need
to spend some time offshore Bob.
John Cairns
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Lifelines are very useful and important:
1) Working forward, stay low and they can and will catch you
2) If you take a fall from anywhere, accept over them, they can and
will
catch you
RB

I believe you, sort of. Bob has never done it, however.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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I have been up on the foredeck in 40+ knots of wind off Glen Cove, as well
as
somewhere between Bermuda and Hatteras. I go up forward low and on my
feet.

You've never been in "rough conditions."

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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So, when you go forward you crawl on your hands and knees?

In rough conditions I stay very low. One hand for me, one for the boat.

RB