Sorry, but how does one tell in advance on someone else's boat whether
or not a lifeline is "proper"? There is no way. In fact, a lifeline can
become
as you put it compromised without even the boat owner realizing it. One
should NEVER rely on a piece of safety equipment vs. common sense.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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2) They won't necessarily catch you. They'll break, especially under your
considerable weight.

On Yoda, a sudden lurch caught my friend off guard and he toppled from the
cabin trunk. The lines caught him, though at 6'6 and near 300lbs he
certainly
tested them. There's no way a proper lifeline will break from someone's
weight,
unless the core is rotted or the lines are bad. NO WAY.

RB

Sorry, but how does one tell in advance on someone else's boat whether
or not a lifeline is "proper"?

I'm not talking about risks associated with "someone else's boat." Lots of
people take risks and let their gear decay.
I'm talking about the lifelines on my last two boats, which were/are sound.

RB

And, I'm saying that relying on lifelines is foolhardy. One should rely
on oneself. That includes making sure the lifelines are in proper order.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Sorry, but how does one tell in advance on someone else's boat whether
or not a lifeline is "proper"?

I'm not talking about risks associated with "someone else's boat." Lots of
people take risks and let their gear decay.
I'm talking about the lifelines on my last two boats, which were/are
sound.

RB

Jon, you're talking to a buffoon that leaves fenders lying on deck. Don't
waste your time.

SV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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And, I'm saying that relying on lifelines is foolhardy. One should rely
on oneself. That includes making sure the lifelines are in proper order.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Sorry, but how does one tell in advance on someone else's boat whether
or not a lifeline is "proper"?

I'm not talking about risks associated with "someone else's boat." Lots
of
people take risks and let their gear decay.
I'm talking about the lifelines on my last two boats, which were/are
sound.

RB

Oh yeah, I forgot... the "safety conscious" buffoon that is.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Jon, you're talking to a buffoon that leaves fenders lying on deck. Don't
waste your time.

SV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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And, I'm saying that relying on lifelines is foolhardy. One should rely
on oneself. That includes making sure the lifelines are in proper order.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Sorry, but how does one tell in advance on someone else's boat whether
or not a lifeline is "proper"?

I'm not talking about risks associated with "someone else's boat."
Lots
of
people take risks and let their gear decay.
I'm talking about the lifelines on my last two boats, which were/are
sound.

RB

What are lifelines for?

A hand hold to get on the boat, A place to grab to bring the boat closer
to the dock, something to hold onto when you're rail meat. A place to
tie off sheets when the furler is furled, a place to tie off the boom
tent, a back rest when a foam roll is added, a tie off for fenders, a
cloth line, a hand hold when going forward from the cockpit and coming
back, a place to rig splash guards, a place to hang drink holder for
beer cans, a barracade to keep from stepping off the boat by accident,
etc

They might even keep you from going in the drink if you lose your
balance. they might even help you maintain yourself on the high side
when heeling (?)

They are neat to have but aren't really necessary.

I like mine!

Ole Thom

Hold on hoss... I wouldn't recommend using them for either a hand hold
or for bring the boat closer. Too easy to damage them. Nor would I use
them for tying off any sheet that is under load, nor would I use them for
a backrest or fenders. (For fenders, if they're not positioned properly,
they could pull the lifelines right off if they get caught, e.g., like when
one
ties up on a non-floating dock and the tide changes.)

A hand hold is fine combined with proper weight distribution and balance.
Splash guards are fine as well as netting. Drink holders are fine, but I
believe
they make some that fit over a winch, and to keep from stepping off by
accident seems to be the best use.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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What are lifelines for?

A hand hold to get on the boat, A place to grab to bring the boat closer
to the dock, something to hold onto when you're rail meat. A place to
tie off sheets when the furler is furled, a place to tie off the boom
tent, a back rest when a foam roll is added, a tie off for fenders, a
cloth line, a hand hold when going forward from the cockpit and coming
back, a place to rig splash guards, a place to hang drink holder for
beer cans, a barracade to keep from stepping off the boat by accident,
etc

They might even keep you from going in the drink if you lose your
balance. they might even help you maintain yourself on the high side
when heeling (?)

They are neat to have but aren't really necessary.

I like mine!

Ole Thom

One
should NEVER rely on a piece of safety equipment vs. common sense.


This is not the debate at hand. You said "YOU SHOULD NOT RELY ON LIFE LINES."
Period.
Now you've added some odd comment about common sense. We're talking gear and
only gear. Let's assume Rain Man isn't aboard.

RB

You should NOT. We're talking about gear. Don't rely on them.
As you said, the stanchion can fail. That's part of the lifeline system.
Don't rely on them.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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One
should NEVER rely on a piece of safety equipment vs. common sense.


This is not the debate at hand. You said "YOU SHOULD NOT RELY ON LIFE
LINES."
Period.
Now you've added some odd comment about common sense. We're talking gear
and
only gear. Let's assume Rain Man isn't aboard.

RB

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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You should NOT. We're talking about gear. Don't rely on them.
As you said, the stanchion can fail. That's part of the lifeline system.
Don't rely on them.

Bob isn't as stupid as you think.

I'm sure that he is sensible enough to realise that his stanchions were not
designed to take the weight of a person of his stature!



Regards


Donal
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