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DSK February 6th 04 07:05 PM

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Yet the boat goes faster....

(SAIL LOCO) wrote:
But it would go even faster if it didn't heel over and it would sail closer to
the wind.



wrote:
???


Seems like Loco's statement was very straighforward and easy to understand.

Do you honestly believe that more heel = sailing faster?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King




Bobsprit February 6th 04 07:22 PM

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Do you honestly believe that more heel = sailing faster?

It most certainly can.


Doug, it "can." No one but you is speeking in absolutes.

RB

DSK February 6th 04 07:32 PM

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Do you honestly believe that more heel = sailing faster?


wrote:
It most certainly can.


True... very good. Now, here's the key question: when?

A good sailor must be able to identify when the boat is within an efficient range of
sailing attitudes, and when to depower. In other words, how much heel is good, and how
far over does it go before it starts getting bad. This varies *very* much from boat to
boat; and with a given boat it will vary according to the conditions.

This is from a performance point of view, a lot of people who ride around on sailboats
either find heeling to be exciting, and try to maximize it; or find it disconcerting
and try to avoid it.



When your trawler "heels" they call that "listing", and it may
coincide with poor performance and handling. Try not to let that
confuse you too much.


I'm not the one who is confused here.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King
On-line since 1989 and still 100% sock-puppet free


DSK February 6th 04 07:53 PM

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wrote:

Sorry Doug. Point of order. It's my turn to ask you a question:


OK. I apologize for speaking out of turn ;)



Given same general proportions and construction, conditions and
propulsion power, is a 10 foot kayak faster or slower than a 14 foot
kayak?


That depends on how much propulsion power is available. At very low
power, say for example if it was propelled by a couple of rubber bands,
then surface friction will be the greatest proportion of drag and the 14
footer, with greater wetted surface, will be slower.

Give it enough power that wave-making resistance becomes the larger
portion of overall drag, and the longer boat will be faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Jonathan Ganz February 6th 04 08:47 PM

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Except for the misspelling, a great phrase..."No one buy you
is speaking in absolutes."

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Do you honestly believe that more heel = sailing faster?


It most certainly can.


Doug, it "can." No one but you is speeking in absolutes.

RB




Jonathan Ganz February 6th 04 09:42 PM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Except for the misspelling, a great phrase..."No one but you
is speaking in absolutes."

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Do you honestly believe that more heel = sailing faster?


It most certainly can.


Doug, it "can." No one but you is speeking in absolutes.

RB






Horvath February 7th 04 12:07 AM

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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:10:57 GMT, wrote
this crap:


Do you honestly believe that more heel = sailing faster?


It most certainly can.



I'll start telling my crew to sit on the low side.





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Jonathan Ganz February 7th 04 12:41 AM

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And, specifically, when would you tell them to do that?
(There is a time for this, btw.)

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:10:57 GMT, wrote
this crap:


Do you honestly believe that more heel = sailing faster?


It most certainly can.



I'll start telling my crew to sit on the low side.





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Donal February 7th 04 12:51 AM

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"katysails" wrote in message
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Donal stated: Bob thinks

You have proof of this?


No.

I must admit that I had a little too much to drink.


Regards


Donal
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Donal February 7th 04 01:00 AM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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One issue to keep in mind is that more heel = more weather helm. If
you're dragging your rudder sideways, you ain't going fast!


However, there is a sweet spot where the boat will gain WL, have good VMG

and
not increase wetted surface.
The rest is gobbily gook and pretty obvious. Clearly a vessel heeled to

far
won't make much VMG and have a flawed track.


Well, smack me about the head with a pair of old mackerel!!!
Bob is trying to take part in a sailing discussion, ... *again*!!!!!



Regards


Donal
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