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Nav February 4th 04 11:41 PM

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Well if you don't let the keel boat heel when going to wind you can't be
extracting energy from the winsd. The trick is to extract lots of
energy with good trim to create drive and that means you should be
prepared to heel up to ~30 degrees. As you note, the ones at the back
are way over pressed to about 45 degrees and coupled with bad mainsail
trim probably explains why they are there...

Cheers


Wally wrote:

Oz wrote:


Hmmm, it depends on the boat but that certainly doesn't look very
efficient to me. They look greatly overpowered, especially the
boats in the back of the fleet (probably why they're there). Look
how little sail is exposed at that angle. Are you suggesting that's
actually good trim?



Sorry, don't get the sail exposed comment?



Something to do with the apparent area of sail exposed to the wind being
reduced as the boat heels over?


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SAIL LOCO February 5th 04 03:23 PM

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Well if you don't let the keel boat heel when going to wind you can't be
extracting energy from the winsd.

Not true. Present hull shapes are designed to sail at their fastest a little
heeled because that's what sailboats do. However if there was a way to
eliminate heel it's common knowledge boats would sail faster and higher with 0
heel.
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Bobsprit February 5th 04 05:12 PM

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It is? My boat, like many, has a longer waterline when heeled.


Alberg said that some of his designs sailed fastest with some heel and the
boats gained waterline. The Pearson 30 (not al alberg design) was also noted
for this. I think dinghy type bottoms like the J30 do best with minimal heel.

RB

Jonathan Ganz February 5th 04 05:48 PM

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And the J-24s.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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It is? My boat, like many, has a longer waterline when heeled.


Alberg said that some of his designs sailed fastest with some heel and the
boats gained waterline. The Pearson 30 (not al alberg design) was also

noted
for this. I think dinghy type bottoms like the J30 do best with minimal

heel.

RB




Bobsprit February 5th 04 06:07 PM

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And the J-24s.


Like a Japanese whore, the J24 goes faster flat.

RB

Thom Stewart February 5th 04 06:32 PM

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Let's be fair Nutsy,

A Lite Beer Fart would cause a 15 deg heel in a Pearson. When they got
to
20 deg they were a pretty fast boat

And while we're at it, when you say some heel, what does that tranlate
to in degrees?

Ole Thom


Jonathan Ganz February 5th 04 06:38 PM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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And the J-24s.


Like a Japanese whore, the J24 goes faster flat.

RB




Bobsprit February 5th 04 06:52 PM

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A Lite Beer Fart would cause a 15 deg heel in a Pearson. When they got
to
20 deg they were a pretty fast boat


Point taken...the P30 is indeed a tender vessel.

RB

Bobsprit February 5th 04 06:52 PM

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And while we're at it, when you say some heel, what does that tranlate
to in degrees?


Some = 17%

Bobsprit February 5th 04 06:53 PM

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