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Went to the AC Boat Show.....

Went aboard the Etap 37 "Boat of the Year" and it was HORRIBLE! More on this
Monday!


RB

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On 18 Jan 2004, R.Brody wrote:

Went to the AC Boat Show.....
Went aboard the Etap 37 "Boat of the Year" and
it was HORRIBLE! * * *

What does "HORRIBLE" mean to convey, other than that (by reason of
that boat's flotation material adhered to the hull) there was less
internal space compared with other boats of the same external
length/width? Not that I have or would opt for one, but what is
"HORRIBLE" about a boat that in almost all conditions likely to be
encountered will not sink?

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What does "HORRIBLE" mean to convey,

Horrible refered to the interior, and the layout. Just a matter of time before
someone goes down hard off the steps and breaks their back on the silly double
sink mounted directly in front.
While you lay there, paralyzed from the neck down you can take comfort that the
etap will stay afloat until you can have lunch with Christopher Reeves. You can
also look around with your good eye at the plastic wood finishes that abound.

RB

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You have to understand, the twit that made that claim has her priorities
screwed up. She's more interested in the cabin interior, beds, curtains,
food storage and such, than any sailing aspect of a boat. Kinda girly, eh?

Scotty

wrote in message
...
On 18 Jan 2004, R.Brody wrote:

Went to the AC Boat Show.....
Went aboard the Etap 37 "Boat of the Year" and
it was HORRIBLE! * * *

What does "HORRIBLE" mean to convey, other than that (by reason of
that boat's flotation material adhered to the hull) there was less
internal space compared with other boats of the same external
length/width? Not that I have or would opt for one, but what is
"HORRIBLE" about a boat that in almost all conditions likely to be
encountered will not sink?

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She's more interested in the cabin interior, beds, curtains,
food storage and such, than any sailing aspect of a boat.

Yeah, cuz the interior setup, sleeping quarters and storage of supplies aren't
important to a sailor like Scotty!
He has to believe that...he owns a POS Siedlemann, the poor dumbass!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote

Yeah, cuz the interior setup, sleeping quarters and storage of supplies
aren't
top priority to a sailor like Scotty!
He actualy sails!


RuBe

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Scotty wrote!

Yeah, cuz the interior setup, sleeping quarters and storage of supplies
aren't
top priority to a daysailor like Scotty!
He actualy never sails far!

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farther than you, dip****.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote!

Yeah, cuz the interior setup, sleeping quarters and storage of supplies
aren't
top priority to a daysailor like Scotty!
He actualy never sails far!

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Scott Vernon wrote:

farther than you, dip****.


Must be an english major?

Cheers
Marty

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farther than you, dip****.

Yeah, easily. You made no passage even as long as our trip to the Thimble
Islands. This summer we're doing a trip further than you'll ever go!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

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dip****.


Poor Scotty! Everyone here has a better boat, better wife, better VHF, better
camera and a better life!

Drives him mad!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

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Interiors are secondary to actually sailing. Most serious sailors don't
give a fig about what's below as long as it doesn't fill with water and
doesn't interfere with the performance.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
She's more interested in the cabin interior, beds, curtains,
food storage and such, than any sailing aspect of a boat.

Yeah, cuz the interior setup, sleeping quarters and storage of supplies
aren't
important to a sailor like Scotty!
He has to believe that...he owns a POS Siedlemann, the poor dumbass!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

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Scotty, this is really not saying much.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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farther than you, dip****.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote!

Yeah, cuz the interior setup, sleeping quarters and storage of
supplies
aren't
top priority to a daysailor like Scotty!
He actualy never sails far!

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To serious sailors, yes, to their wives and bob****, no.

Scotty

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
Interiors are secondary to actually sailing. Most serious sailors don't
give a fig about what's below as long as it doesn't fill with water and
doesn't interfere with the performance.

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Main Entry: 1far
Pronunciation: 'fär
Function: adverb
Inflected Form(s): far·ther /-[th]&r/; or fur·ther /'f&r-/; far·thest or
fur·thest /-[th]&st/
Etymology: Middle English fer, from Old English feorr; akin to Old High
German ferro far, Old English faran to go -- more at FARE
Date: before 12th century
1 : at or to a considerable distance in space wandered far from home


"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

farther than you, dip****.


Must be an english major?

Cheers
Marty

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Truer words were never spoken. He couldn't even make it to the Thimble
Islands.

SV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Scotty, this is really not saying much.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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farther than you, dip****.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote!

Yeah, cuz the interior setup, sleeping quarters and storage of
supplies
aren't
top priority to a daysailor like Scotty!
He actualy never sails far!

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you forgot car, house, TV, record player, clothes, etc...............

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
dip****.


Poor Scotty! Everyone here has a better boat, better wife, better VHF,
better
camera and a better life!

Drives him mad!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

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Most serious sailors don't
give a fig about what's below as long as it doesn't fill with water and
doesn't interfere with the performance.


Serious sailors certainly care about how an interior is laid out.
Really, Jonathan, you're being silly. Most "serious" boats have pretty amazing
interiors built to purpose. The interior is PART of the design and very hard to
get right.
Lots of boats sail well, but very few have good interiors. Of the "new" boats
out there, only a handful have proper layouts and still fewer for anyone much
over 6'1.

RB

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out there, only a handful have proper layouts for anyone much
over 601 lbs..


I'm sure they can make a special O-Birth for your cow of a wife!

Bwahhahahaha!

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote

Slip sailors certainly care about how an interior is laid out.

Of the "new" boats
out there, only a handful have proper layouts for anyone much
over 601 lbs..

RuBe

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No. I'm not being silly. Most serious sailors have spartan interiors,
certainly with a purpose. The purpose being to elimnate weight.
I know a couple of people who raced from SF to Cabo with a
bucket for a head. They really, really, wanted to eliminate weight
(no pun intended). But, they screwed up and had to keep pulling
in for water, since they eliminated a large percentage of their
water tankage toward the same goal. They were living on granola
bars and such.

Most semi-serious cruising sailors also are very concerned about
weight, but realize they have to live on the boat for weeks or months
at a time. Thus, while minimizing weight, they want a few amenities
such as a real marine head, and narrow bunks with lee cloths or
boards, and perhaps a few gagets like radar and a SSB. Cruisers
that don't really cruise, spend most of their time at the dock, or those
that charter (which I do a lot, fyi) load up the boats with all sorts of
crap
that are more toys than useful.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most serious sailors don't
give a fig about what's below as long as it doesn't fill with water and
doesn't interfere with the performance.


Serious sailors certainly care about how an interior is laid out.
Really, Jonathan, you're being silly. Most "serious" boats have pretty
amazing
interiors built to purpose. The interior is PART of the design and very
hard to
get right.
Lots of boats sail well, but very few have good interiors. Of the "new"
boats
out there, only a handful have proper layouts and still fewer for anyone
much
over 6'1.

RB

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Most serious sailors have spartan interiors,
certainly with a purpose.

Oh, you must mean those spartan Swan, Oyster, S&S, and even Westsails!!!
Jonathan, have you ever been on a Baltic? How about a 60 foot Gardner ketch?
How about a Valiant 40? Robin Hood/Cape Dory 36? How about a Hinkley? I doubt
it!
All of them have VERY nice interiors, often pretty lavish, and all of them are
world striding designs that are well respected.
Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best
interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook
properly.

RB

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as opposed to a C-section?


"Bob****" the moron wrote ...

O-Birth

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Bobsprit wrote:

Of the "new" boats
out there, only a handful have proper layouts

What constitutes a "proper" layout, one that has gone
to Eton and has suits tailored in Milan?

Cheers
Marty

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Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters. They're wildly expensive
and weigh more than necessary. Sure they can cross oceans, but
they don't generally. Mostly, they sit at the dock with their owners
sitting on them, and with their owners entertaining their snobby
friends.

I delivered a 61' Sparkmans and Stevens (Ted Turner's '79 Fastnet
boat). Turner and the new owner were serious racers and serious
cruisers, respectively. The interior was just above spartan. It was
as I described in the previous post... good, narrow bunks which
were gimbaled, nothing fancy, and he was very, very conscious
about weight distribution (in this case we were carrying his full
compliment of sails for delivery to the new berthing). The new
owner hardly ever raced. He mostly travelled the world, exploring
for months at a time.

Sure, there are a few serious cruisers who have these kinds of
boats, but even they don't overload them with gagets and other
crap.

It's pretty clear that you didn't actually read what I wrote. So, go
back and try again.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most serious sailors have spartan interiors,
certainly with a purpose.

Oh, you must mean those spartan Swan, Oyster, S&S, and even Westsails!!!
Jonathan, have you ever been on a Baltic? How about a 60 foot Gardner
ketch?
How about a Valiant 40? Robin Hood/Cape Dory 36? How about a Hinkley? I
doubt
it!
All of them have VERY nice interiors, often pretty lavish, and all of them
are
world striding designs that are well respected.
Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best
interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook
properly.

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best
interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?

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He might be able to fit in, but he's too fat to get out.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best
interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to
cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?

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Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters.

Raced? I'm talking cruising, Jonathan. The Valiant 40, Gardener ketch at my
club sail to warm waters every year. They don't have spartan interiors. Every
serious cruiser I ever saw or read about had plenty of "home" packed into the
boat. Nothing spartan.

RB

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Sure, there are a few serious cruisers who have these kinds of
boats, but even they don't overload them with gagets and other
crap.

Wrong again. Most designs for serious cruising are not stripped out. There are
quite a few offshore cruisers at City Island, including boats I mentioned, no
one has a spartan interior.
Swans and Oysters make PLENTY of serious passages. No spartan interior.

RB

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It's pretty clear that you didn't actually read what I wrote. So, go
back and try again.

Just about every serious builder features nice interiors. Today's modern
materials makes stripping down a waste. You can have a fast well appointed boat
and serious cruisers with means pay for them all the time.
Serious racers have other needs.

RB

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interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?


I'm a weekend cruiser. Last summer we took only four trips, the longest was
just beyond the Thimble Islands. This summer we have a more significant trip
planned, but I'll wait until it's over before stunning daysailors like Ganzy
and Scott. These guys don't go anywhere and probably never will. With our new
boat already settled, Suzanne and I have a good plan to increase our time on
the water and make looker passages. When I read a silly comment from Ganzy
about spartan interiors on "serious" cruisers I have to wonder what he really
knows about boats. I can't even recall a article in cruising world from a
couple on such a boat. Maybe he doesn't think that makes for a "serious"
cruiser.
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Bwahahahahahaaha! Gotta love their jealous posts though.

RB

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as opposed to a C-section?


Any part of a Pizza pie that Scotty's wife C's and eats. ie: the whole damn
pie.

RB

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How far is it to the thimbles for you?

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook
properly.


And which category do you fit in?


I'm a weekend cruiser. Last summer we took only four trips, the longest was
just beyond the Thimble Islands. This summer we have a more significant trip
planned, but I'll wait until it's over before stunning daysailors like Ganzy
and Scott. These guys don't go anywhere and probably never will. With our new
boat already settled, Suzanne and I have a good plan to increase our time on
the water and make looker passages. When I read a silly comment from Ganzy
about spartan interiors on "serious" cruisers I have to wonder what he really
knows about boats. I can't even recall a article in cruising world from a
couple on such a boat. Maybe he doesn't think that makes for a "serious"
cruiser.
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Bwahahahahahaaha! Gotta love their jealous posts though.

RB

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How far is it to the thimbles for you?

Cheers

I think it was like 60 or 70, but we made some stops and detours. We logged
150-175 miles or so for the whole trip. Like I said, it was short. We only ran
the motor for the last few hours when the wind left us for dead in really bad
heat. When we got back Suzanne said "where are we going next??!!" That was
encouraging and we have a really nice long trip planned for the summer...at
least long compared to the Thimbles.

RB

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Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. That's a fact. In addition, neither are they cruised on the ocean
or in protected waters for the most part. Mostly, their owners sit on them
and entertain.

You need to get out more. Just about every serious cruiser I've ever spoken
with or whose boat I've seen are very, very particular about what they pack
and what they jetison. The ones who aren't particular either don't go
anywhere
and thus aren't really serious or they end up dumping a lot of their crap
very
quickly.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters.

Raced? I'm talking cruising, Jonathan. The Valiant 40, Gardener ketch at
my
club sail to warm waters every year. They don't have spartan interiors.
Every
serious cruiser I ever saw or read about had plenty of "home" packed into
the
boat. Nothing spartan.

RB

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Right again. Are you just pretending to be stupid? You're actually
claiming that people do overload them with gagets and crap, and
this is supposedly a good thing?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Sure, there are a few serious cruisers who have these kinds of
boats, but even they don't overload them with gagets and other
crap.

Wrong again. Most designs for serious cruising are not stripped out. There
are
quite a few offshore cruisers at City Island, including boats I mentioned,
no
one has a spartan interior.
Swans and Oysters make PLENTY of serious passages. No spartan interior.

RB

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Sure they do. That's got nothing to do with what I was typing about.
In fact, anyone who cruises for long distances, gets rid of whatever
doesn't serve a useful purpose. Racers devote a lot of energy into
in only doubly so.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

It's pretty clear that you didn't actually read what I wrote. So, go
back and try again.

Just about every serious builder features nice interiors. Today's modern
materials makes stripping down a waste. You can have a fast well appointed
boat
and serious cruisers with means pay for them all the time.
Serious racers have other needs.

RB

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You're barely a weekend cruiser. Your boat is bloated with all kinds
of crap, just like your deck is cluttered with fenders. No cruiser in
his right mind would let that happen. If you think Cruising World is
the defining magazine about cruising, you're even dummer than I
imagined.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to
cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?


I'm a weekend cruiser. Last summer we took only four trips, the longest
was
just beyond the Thimble Islands. This summer we have a more significant
trip
planned, but I'll wait until it's over before stunning daysailors like
Ganzy
and Scott. These guys don't go anywhere and probably never will. With our
new
boat already settled, Suzanne and I have a good plan to increase our time
on
the water and make looker passages. When I read a silly comment from Ganzy
about spartan interiors on "serious" cruisers I have to wonder what he
really
knows about boats. I can't even recall a article in cruising world from a
couple on such a boat. Maybe he doesn't think that makes for a "serious"
cruiser.
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Bwahahahahahaaha! Gotta love their jealous posts though.

RB

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Give me a break. Wow, you went 175 miles and that's supposed to
be the extent of your cruising experience. And, you made a lot of
stops... motoring, shopping, etc. The only actual cruising it sounds like
you did was in trailway stations for runaways.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
How far is it to the thimbles for you?

Cheers

I think it was like 60 or 70, but we made some stops and detours. We
logged
150-175 miles or so for the whole trip. Like I said, it was short. We only
ran
the motor for the last few hours when the wind left us for dead in really
bad
heat. When we got back Suzanne said "where are we going next??!!" That was
encouraging and we have a really nice long trip planned for the
summer...at
least long compared to the Thimbles.

RB

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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:41:08 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. That's a fact. In addition, neither are they cruised on the ocean
or in protected waters for the most part. Mostly, their owners sit on them
and entertain.

You need to get out more. Just about every serious cruiser I've ever spoken
with or whose boat I've seen are very, very particular about what they pack
and what they jetison. The ones who aren't particular either don't go
anywhere
and thus aren't really serious or they end up dumping a lot of their crap
very
quickly.

I can't imagine a "cruiser" opting for pipe berths and a stripped out
interior. Most cruising boats are designed with lots of tankage and
storage capacity for the carrying of provisions, ground tackle, tools,
spares and all the rest. It would seem to me that ignoring basic
creature comforts in a cruising boat would be pretty short sighted.
While I think that some boat builders spend a disproportionate amount
of time/money/energy on the aesthetics of the interiors, I would be a
bit concerned if the interior looked poorly constructed or thought
out. I notice even the volume production builders are putting in
higher dollar hardware in the interiors than they used to. Gone are
the days of cheap light fixtures crappy upholstery:) Of course, boats
cost a lot more than they used to. I suspect the weakening dollar
will have quite an effect on the European boats.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters.

Raced? I'm talking cruising, Jonathan. The Valiant 40, Gardener ketch at
my
club sail to warm waters every year. They don't have spartan interiors.
Every
serious cruiser I ever saw or read about had plenty of "home" packed into
the
boat. Nothing spartan.

RB