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Booby, we're not talking about someone walking into a boat dealer and saying
"I'll take that one... in blue if you don't mind. Wow! I've never met a sailor who did that...but I guess YOU have! Bwahahahahaaha! RB |
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According to Booby, real sailors take a few overnight trips and a couple
of long weekends to prove their worth. Gotta love it! Ganzy failed to find a SINGLE builder making the "real sailing" spartan interior he spoke of. Now he's just blowing smoke and insults. BUSTED, Ganzy. RB |
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Booby, you always win.
Yup, I sure did. You failed to back up anything you claimed. I provided a list of builders of very respected boats who feature very comfortable interiors. You're "blind" claim that none of them sail is pretty sad. Keep trying...don't bail now, Dumbass!!! RB |
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You are just 100% stupid if you think boats loaded with
creature comforts and gear perform well. Boats loaded with gear and comforts perform well if they are design to do so. A loaded Swan 47 does just fine thank you. And a Valiant, well suited up for weeks away from land, can log some good miles. To quote another dope...you know nothing about boats! RB |
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No. Also when you're trying to move around down below.
You don't want a lot of beam. Maybe Ganzy can give is a list of builders who make narrow cabins for this purpose? Good god! RB |
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Bobsprit wrote: No. Also when you're trying to move around down below. You don't want a lot of beam. Maybe Ganzy can give is a list of builders who make narrow cabins for this purpose? Good god! Doug tells us that many racing boats have geodesic structures that completely obstruct the interior! Perhaps the crew just wedge themselves into the lattice work? Cheers MC |
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You mean you don't know???
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... No. Also when you're trying to move around down below. You don't want a lot of beam. Maybe Ganzy can give is a list of builders who make narrow cabins for this purpose? Good god! RB |
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HAhahahahahahahHAHAhahahahah... like your weekend warrior trips..
YOU WIN!! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Yep, made the point. Classy comfortable interiors are of little use at sea. But being at sea is only part of cruising. A proper cruising boat should have good sea bunks as well as comfort. RB |
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Yep. I sail about 1000 times as much as you do. There isn't much
"below" on my boat. Either your sailing or you're not. YOU WIN! You're the KING OF STUPID! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Real sailors don't measure themselves by how uncomfortable they are. Ganzy owns a miserable Cal 20...he HAS to think that way. RB |
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How would you know? You've never set foot on a swan that actually sailed.
For all you know, it could be a Pearson. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You are just 100% stupid if you think boats loaded with creature comforts and gear perform well. Boats loaded with gear and comforts perform well if they are design to do so. A loaded Swan 47 does just fine thank you. And a Valiant, well suited up for weeks away from land, can log some good miles. To quote another dope...you know nothing about boats! RB |
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Stop to rest???? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaahahahah... I know
it's really stressful out there for 3 whole days! YOU WIN! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Most creature comforts are only good while you're in port. That's the POINT, dumbass! Cruisers usually stop to rest, see the sights and don't own stripped out spartan boats...as I've proven! RB |
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Well, you sure WIN! At least as far as stupid goes!
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... According to Booby, real sailors take a few overnight trips and a couple of long weekends to prove their worth. Gotta love it! Ganzy failed to find a SINGLE builder making the "real sailing" spartan interior he spoke of. Now he's just blowing smoke and insults. BUSTED, Ganzy. RB |
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You always win, because you're always stupid! Keep not sailing dumbass.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Booby, you always win. Yup, I sure did. You failed to back up anything you claimed. I provided a list of builders of very respected boats who feature very comfortable interiors. You're "blind" claim that none of them sail is pretty sad. Keep trying...don't bail now, Dumbass!!! RB |
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Well, you win again, especially with those EXTENDED CRUISES
for THREE WHOLE DAYS!! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Booby, we're not talking about someone walking into a boat dealer and saying "I'll take that one... in blue if you don't mind. Wow! I've never met a sailor who did that...but I guess YOU have! Bwahahahahaaha! RB |
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Sure they do, but not with all the tons of equipment that you would put
on them. YOU WIN AGAIN! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... It has to do with people not using their boats... the ones they bought because they have great interior space and roomy accomodations. Right! All those builders I listed...and those boats don't sail?? Bwahahahahaha! Okay Ganzy. I think we can all see that you need to believe that. Especially when you sail a delapidated daysailor! RB |
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Well, what can I say, it's Jackass... If you claim to understand him,
then YOU WIN AGAIN, as the only one capable of understanding an idiot. It takes one to know one I guess! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Sorry, but I missed the point you're trying to make... BB, he's not kidding either. RB |
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Well, I can see how you would need to rely on it! YOU WIN AGAIN!
The sailor who doesn't sail more than THREE WHOLE DAYS! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You need that radar... really! All of those long weekends... Ganzy, tells us that Radar has no purpose on short sails...but what about free Radar? Hmmmm? Hoooh ahhh! I'm clubbing seals! RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote ... Most creature comforts are only good while you're in port. That's the POINT, dumbass! I never leave port! RB |
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I've gone on canoe trips longer than bob****s' cruises.
SV "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Stop to rest???? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaahahahah... I know it's really stressful out there for 3 whole days! YOU WIN! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Most creature comforts are only good while you're in port. That's the POINT, dumbass! Cruisers usually stop to rest, see the sights and don't own stripped out spartan boats...as I've proven! RB |
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Nah, he already told us he provisions for 2 days before a long 3 day
passage. Scotty "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I shudder to think... I'm amazed he didn't eat the keel being away from a decent meal for so long. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote You know nothing about boats or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy. Watch out Jon, he's been on 3 day sailing passages. 3 DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BWAHaHahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa |
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Was it enough?
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Nah, he already told us he provisions for 2 days before a long 3 day passage. Scotty "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I shudder to think... I'm amazed he didn't eat the keel being away from a decent meal for so long. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote You know nothing about boats or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy. Watch out Jon, he's been on 3 day sailing passages. 3 DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BWAHaHahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:06:43 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Interiors are secondary to actually sailing. Most serious sailors don't give a fig about what's below as long as it doesn't fill with water and doesn't interfere with the performance. Only you gay guys don't care. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:46:46 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: No. I'm not being silly. Most serious sailors have spartan interiors, certainly with a purpose. The purpose being to elimnate weight. I know a couple of people who raced from SF to Cabo with a How would you know? You don't even own a boat. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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Although I have been "landlocked" for my sailing for the last 15
years, it is at the home of Valiant Yachts. If there is a more seaworthy boat built, I have yet to see it. There aint nothing spartan about those boats. If I were going to sea, balls to the wall, I would want to be sailing a Valiant. Poor Ganzy. He's been reduced to screaming about my short sails after failing to make a single point. Pretty frustrating for him, obviously. RB |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:48:26 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: You're barely a weekend cruiser. Your boat is bloated with all kinds of crap, just like your deck is cluttered with fenders. No cruiser in his right mind would let that happen. If you think Cruising World is the defining magazine about cruising, you're even dummer than I imagined. You don't even own a boat, Jon-boy. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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ganz, get some sea time and lay off the "virtual" sea time, and then come back
here to talk. No. Also when you're trying to move around down below. You don't want a lot of beam. You do want a lot of handholds. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Yep, made the point. Classy comfortable interiors are of little use at sea. not when you are sleeping maybe, but rather nice the rest of the time. |
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ganz, you believe way too much of what you read. get some sea time and back to
tell us what you learned. Incredibly, amazingly wrong. Real sailors measure themselves by the journey, not the accomodations. Sure, comfort is nice, but doing the thing is what counts. wrote in message .. . You are quite the moron. Real sailors don't measure themselves by how uncomfortable they are. They measure themselves by how much they are enjoying themselves. Maybe you are so feeble that you need an uncomfortable nights sleep to feel like you are facing a big challenge of some sort. I'm starting to gather that you don't sail outside a protected bay somewhere in a pram. BB |
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a Dufour 27 has low ports and will bury a "window" at about 7 knots wind speed.
Yep. I find that if I can't move once I'm in the bunk, I'll sleep fine. I've awakened a couple of times to see window under water. OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:57:47 +1300, MC scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:47:19 GMT, scribbled thusly: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only good while you're in port. Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like Chichester. You really don't know much about cruising. BB Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count. Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from your fancy interior on the way. Two, three, or 6 days at sea will soon convince you that real sailors have little use for traditional creature comforts. I like my bedding to be warm and dry. Isn't that a creature comfort? Cheers MC Yep, but still it's difficult to sleep in a normal bunk without additional padding. My most comfortable sleeping has been done in a sleeping bag on a pipe berth. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Although I have been "landlocked" for my sailing for the last 15
years, Yup it is at the home of Valiant Yachts. If there is a more seaworthy boat built, I have yet to see it. Go to any sal****er marina and you will find plenty of more seaworthy boats than a Valiant. Valiant is a huge marketing success but it is generally considered by knowledgeable, scientifically trained sailors to be about a knot and half slower for its size and design than it should be. Salty looking boat, though, and that does have market appeal. Bob Perry would say different, but then Bob has publicly called me an asshole, but Bob has also publicly stated that he has struggled with math all his life, a statement on his part that I do not doubt. |
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If I were going to sea, balls to the wall,
I would want to be sailing a Valiant. you might rather wish to be on an Ingrid or a Rhodes 41, or a Bermuda 40, or a Luders 33, or a Luders 45, or an Eric 32, or a Colin Archer anything, or a Vanguard, or a whole host of other boats. This is *if* you are going "balls to the wall". |
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"MC" wrote in message ... It sounds a bit like you haven't slept while underway. If a boat tacks while you are unsecured, and asleep, it can be bloody uncomfortable. That's why you fit lee cloths. Yeah, I know that I should have done that by now. I usually use kit bags, and anything else I can find to jam myself in. I suppose that if I had the use the main cabin, then there would be lee cloths. Cheers However, there is a lot of truth on both sides of the argument in this thread. Elanor Tims (or Timms??), recently told us that her boat sunk by 6" after she got it prepared for an extended cruise. My boat sinks by about an inch when we prepare for our 2 week summer cruises. Only an inch? I'd say when fully loaded with food, booze, water and diesel for a 4 week trip we the WL is half way up the boot topping. Food, and booze are much cheaper at our destination (France usually). Regards Donal -- Cheers |
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I suppose that if I had the
use the main cabin, then there would be lee cloths. Lee clothes!!!?? No gadgets!!! According to ganzy that is! RB |
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"Horvath" wrote this crap: Interiors are secondary to actually sailing. Only us gay guys care. |
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No. They stopped to go 'shopping' on the second day.
SV "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Was it enough? "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Nah, he already told us he provisions for 2 days before a long 3 day passage. Scotty "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I shudder to think... I'm amazed he didn't eat the keel being away from a decent meal for so long. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote You know nothing about boats or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy. Watch out Jon, he's been on 3 day sailing passages. 3 DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BWAHaHahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa |
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course those 'gadgets' are only useful if they have good batteries in them.
SV No gadgets!!! RB |
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JAXAshby wrote:
Bob Perry would say different, but then Bob has publicly called me an asshole, but Bob has also publicly stated that he has struggled with math all his life, a statement on his part that I do not doubt. Ah, that statement has so much meaning, coming from someone who could not come up with an equation to define a catenary. Cheers Marty |
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felton wrote:
Ganz didn't make that statement...I did. Shh, Booby's having an AOL moment. Cheers Marty |
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