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"Bobsprit" wrote

You know nothing about boats
or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy.

Watch out Jon, he's been on 3 day sailing passages.

3 DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAHaHahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

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OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:57:47 +1300, MC scribbled
thusly:



OzOne wrote:


On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:47:19 GMT,
scribbled thusly:



On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:



You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like Chichester. You
really don't know much about cruising.

BB


Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count.
Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from
your fancy interior on the way.
Two, three, or 6 days at sea will soon convince you that real sailors
have little use for traditional creature comforts.



I like my bedding to be warm and dry. Isn't that a creature comfort?

Cheers MC


Yep, but still it's difficult to sleep in a normal bunk without
additional padding.
My most comfortable sleeping has been done in a sleeping bag on a pipe
berth.



The 'padding' keeps it warm. :-)))))

Cheers

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wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:56:45 +1100, OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:47:19 GMT,
scribbled thusly:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like Chichester.
You
really don't know much about cruising.

BB

Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count.

Sez who? That's what most cruising consists of.

Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from
your fancy interior on the way.

Do you live in a cave when on land? Just how stupid are you? It doesn't
matter
where I am. I always prefer to have comfortable accomodations.

Two, three, or 6 days at sea will soon convince you that real sailors
have little use for traditional creature comforts.


You are quite the moron. Real sailors don't measure themselves by how
uncomfortable they are. They measure themselves by how much they are
enjoying
themselves. Maybe you are so feeble that you need an uncomfortable nights
sleep
to feel like you are facing a big challenge of some sort.

It sounds a bit like you haven't slept while underway. If a boat tacks
while you are unsecured, and asleep, it can be bloody uncomfortable.


However, there is a lot of truth on both sides of the argument in this
thread. Elanor Tims (or Timms??), recently told us that her boat sunk by
6" after she got it prepared for an extended cruise. My boat sinks by
about an inch when we prepare for our 2 week summer cruises.


Regards


Donal
--





I'm starting to gather that you don't sail outside a protected bay
somewhere in
a pram.

BB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Face it booby, you don't know anything about sailing.

I won.
I can list every blue water builder from Ted Hood to Beneteau's premium
line

Beneteau's premium line???

What are you talking about, I wonder?



Regards


Donal
--

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I can't help it. It's so damn funny. bob**** comparong himself to Columbus,
claiming to be a cruiser and bragging about a 3 day trip.

TeeHee ha ha he ho


OzOne wrote
Don't laugh Scootz,
A lightweight racing tri can go a f***ing long way in 3 days.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I can't help it. It's so damn funny. bob**** comparong himself to
Columbus,
claiming to be a cruiser and bragging about a 3 day trip.

TeeHee ha ha he ho


OzOne wrote
Don't laugh Scootz,
A lightweight racing tri can go a f***ing long way in 3 days.

619 miles, IIRC???


BTW, the "files" that I mentioned are photos that you enquired about, a few
months ago. Your hotmail account looks dead.


Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:56:45 +1100, OzOne wrote:


On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:47:19 GMT,
scribbled thusly:


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"



wrote:


You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like Chichester.

You

really don't know much about cruising.

BB

Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count.

Sez who? That's what most cruising consists of.


Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from
your fancy interior on the way.

Do you live in a cave when on land? Just how stupid are you? It doesn't

matter

where I am. I always prefer to have comfortable accomodations.


Two, three, or 6 days at sea will soon convince you that real sailors
have little use for traditional creature comforts.


You are quite the moron. Real sailors don't measure themselves by how
uncomfortable they are. They measure themselves by how much they are

enjoying

themselves. Maybe you are so feeble that you need an uncomfortable nights

sleep

to feel like you are facing a big challenge of some sort.


It sounds a bit like you haven't slept while underway. If a boat tacks
while you are unsecured, and asleep, it can be bloody uncomfortable.


That's why you fit lee cloths.

Cheers



However, there is a lot of truth on both sides of the argument in this
thread. Elanor Tims (or Timms??), recently told us that her boat sunk by
6" after she got it prepared for an extended cruise. My boat sinks by
about an inch when we prepare for our 2 week summer cruises.

Only an inch? I'd say when fully loaded with food, booze, water and
diesel for a 4 week trip we the WL is half way up the boot topping.

Cheers

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Donal wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Face it booby, you don't know anything about sailing.

I won.
I can list every blue water builder from Ted Hood to Beneteau's premium

line

Beneteau's premium line???

What are you talking about, I wonder?



He's trolling and caught you.

Cheers

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If you go look at many, even most long-distance cruisers, you'll see
that they've widowed down their requirements to what is actually
useful.

huh? WTF are you talking about?

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Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count.
Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from
your fancy interior on the way.

I have spent at many as 12 days at at sea (not counting my time in the military
in which I once 14 days at sea, including three days in a north Pacific storm
in January) and I always liked a nice interior. Great for sleeping against
when the sea were high and great to laying back and reading when the seas
weren't.

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Yep, but still it's difficult to sleep in a normal bunk without
additional padding.
My most comfortable sleeping has been done in a sleeping bag on a pipe
berth.

when you are tired, sleeping on the cabin sole against the leeward bench seat
in the salon is pretty damned fine. Restful sleep because you are not getting
thrown around enough to wake up.

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If a boat tacks
while you are unsecured, and asleep, it can be bloody uncomfortable.

nah, you just slide to the other side of the cabin sole, or the other side of
the bunk if that is where you are, or you change bunks.

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JAXAshby wrote:

Yep, but still it's difficult to sleep in a normal bunk without
additional padding.
My most comfortable sleeping has been done in a sleeping bag on a pipe
berth.


when you are tired, sleeping on the cabin sole against the leeward bench seat
in the salon is pretty damned fine. Restful sleep because you are not getting
thrown around enough to wake up.

My first strong gale at sea was like that. Trouble was the watch coming
below to navigate etc. dropped a lot of water on me. Still slept though.
Now I love a quarter berth -even more than the leeward settee. When I
was young I usually slept in a pipe cot forward but I'm not sure I'd
still like the express elevator followed by the shuddering crash as I
now own the boat!

Cheers

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Yep, made the point.
Classy comfortable interiors are of little use at sea.


not when you are sleeping maybe, but rather nice the rest of the time.

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Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

That's the POINT, dumbass! Cruisers usually stop to rest, see the sights and
don't own stripped out spartan boats...as I've proven!

RB

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Real sailors don't measure themselves by how
uncomfortable they are.

Ganzy owns a miserable Cal 20...he HAS to think that way.

RB

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Sure. Whatever you say.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like Chichester.
You
really don't know much about cruising.

BB

The rest of the time, the issue
is whether or not the feature contributes to survivability.


I'll let your statements stand as their own testament to your (lack of)
prowess
as a sailor.

BB

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And I thought Horass was stupid....

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:47:19 GMT,
scribbled thusly:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like Chichester.
You
really don't know much about cruising.

BB

Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count.
Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from
your fancy interior on the way.
Two, three, or 6 days at sea will soon convince you that real sailors
have little use for traditional creature comforts.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Yep, made the point.
Classy comfortable interiors are of little use at sea.


But being at sea is only part of cruising. A proper cruising boat should have
good sea bunks as well as comfort.

RB

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Yep. I find that if I can't move once I'm in the bunk, I'll sleep fine. I've
awakened a couple of times to see window under water.

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:57:47 +1300, MC scribbled
thusly:



OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:47:19 GMT,
scribbled thusly:


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:


You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like
Chichester. You
really don't know much about cruising.

BB


Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count.
Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from
your fancy interior on the way.
Two, three, or 6 days at sea will soon convince you that real sailors
have little use for traditional creature comforts.



I like my bedding to be warm and dry. Isn't that a creature comfort?

Cheers MC

Yep, but still it's difficult to sleep in a normal bunk without
additional padding.
My most comfortable sleeping has been done in a sleeping bag on a pipe
berth.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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No. Also when you're trying to move around down below.
You don't want a lot of beam. You do want a lot of handholds.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Yep, made the point.
Classy comfortable interiors are of little use at sea.


not when you are sleeping maybe, but rather nice the rest of the time.

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Incredibly, amazingly wrong. Real sailors measure themselves
by the journey, not the accomodations. Sure, comfort is nice,
but doing the thing is what counts.

wrote in message
...
You are quite the moron. Real sailors don't measure themselves by how
uncomfortable they are. They measure themselves by how much they are
enjoying
themselves. Maybe you are so feeble that you need an uncomfortable nights
sleep
to feel like you are facing a big challenge of some sort.

I'm starting to gather that you don't sail outside a protected bay
somewhere in
a pram.

BB

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My boat sinks by
about an inch when we prepare for our 2 week summer cruises.

Scotty's boat sinks completely when his wife waddles on board!

Bhwahahahahaha!

RB

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Bob, you always win. Especially when you're an idiot!

You are just 100% stupid if you think boats loaded with
creature comforts and gear perform well. You win again!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
What I did say was that a real cruiser would carefully
weigh what is important and what isn't.


100% a lie.
Ganzy said that serious cruisers opt for SPARTAN INTERIORS which is false.
Most
of todays good cruising boats are loaded with creature comforts and gear
and
perform well.

I win!!!! Bwahahahahaha!

RB

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According to Booby, real sailors take a few overnight trips and a couple
of long weekends to prove their worth. YOU WIN AGAIN for being
an idiot.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I can't imagine a "cruiser" opting for pipe berths and a stripped out
interior. Most cruising boats are designed with lots of tankage and
storage capacity for the carrying of provisions, ground tackle, tools,
spares and all the rest. It would seem to me that ignoring basic
creature comforts in a cruising boat would be pretty short sighted.

Not according to Ganzy. He thinks a "serious" sailor would just snuggle up
to
the saildrive for warmth!
Where's that list of builders, Ganzy??!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

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Booby, you always win at being stupid!! Congratulations!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Face it booby, you don't know anything about sailing.

I won.
I can list every blue water builder from Ted Hood to Beneteau's premium
line
and NONE are as Ganzy outlined.
All are clearly blue water sailboats. No spartan interiors.

RB

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I thought at least one was a 4-day weekend. Maybe booby isn't as
experienced as I thought...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Oh but he is an expert, after all, he's taken a few 3 day weekend sails.

BWaHahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
Face it booby, you don't know anything about sailing.

This is about you presenting yourself as some kind of self-styled
expert. You're not. You're a joke.

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Booby, we're not talking about someone walking into a boat dealer and saying
"I'll take that one... in blue if you don't mind." I'm talking about people
who actually
go out and do some sailing. But, you sure do win on the stupid scale.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
If you go look at many, even most long-distance cruisers, you'll see
that they've widowed down their requirements to what is actually
useful.

Please educate the group. Valiant has one of the best records for boats
that
make crossings, an the interiors aren't spartan by a mile.
Please educate the whole group on a builder who sells a stripped out race
interior as a cruiser!
Go ahead!

Bwahahahaahaha! I won!

RB

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Something you wouldn't understand.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
If you go look at many, even most long-distance cruisers, you'll see
that they've widowed down their requirements to what is actually
useful.

huh? WTF are you talking about?

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Beneteau's premium line???

What are you talking about, I wonder?

Actually I was refering to the custom series, which is leaps and bounds above
their other boats...though they are really only semi-custom...they are very
capable blue water boats. Beneteau will work closely with a buyer on these and
heft mods can be had.

http://www.beneteauusa.com/custom/57_photos.php

Damn, Donal...I know more about Beneteau too!

RB

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It has to do with people not using their boats... the ones they bought
because
they have great interior space and roomy accomodations. I think you need to
get out more... go visit a marina and ask around if you can find anyone
there.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Not sure what planet you're from, but most of the boats
in every marina I've been in never leave the dock. That's
not cruising.

Agreed...and this has nothing to do with spartan exteriors..still waiting
for
that list of builders from Ganzy, but he know's he's busted.

RB

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I think if you ask, they'll put you back on your meds.

Sorry, but I missed the point you're trying to make... do you have
a funny hat or something?

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:56:43 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Not sure what planet you're from, but most of the boats
in every marina I've been in never leave the dock. That's
not cruising.


A few years ago, a reporter in Connecticut wanted to see how many people
were
obeying the 55 mph speed limit on the highways. He drove for a week at 55
MPH
and didn't see even one person going the same speed. See if you can figure
it
out,.

BB

wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:34:32 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them.

??? What do you base that specious claim on? I know of some people with
very
expensive cruising sailboats who rarely cruise, but they are clearly in
the
minority. The "sit at the dock and party " lifestyle is found far more
often
with powerboats.

Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters. They're wildly expensive
and weigh more than necessary. Sure they can cross oceans, but
they don't generally. Mostly, they sit at the dock with their owners
sitting on them, and with their owners entertaining their snobby
friends.


You need to get out more. A LOT more.


BB

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See. You win again! You got a new boat and you don't sail it much... a
couple
of long weekends. Wow! You WIN!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Oh, but he's *gonna* go for a longer cruise next year. And wasn't he
*gonna* do the round the island race? And he's *gonna* get a ham radio for
the new boat he's *gonna* get.


Scotty, sorry to report that the new boat is already a done deal. And I
did buy
a 10 meter ham radio and I did sail more than you did last year by far.

Poor jealous scotty!

RB

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Keep on waiting. Why should I try and disuade you from spending
your money. The economy needs consumers, even if they're stupid ones.

You need that radar... really! All of those long weekends...

I was thinking about the chrome anchor actually.

YOU WIN AGAIN!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
What happened, Ganzy?
Still waiting to hear what gear on my boat is "too much" in the way of
gadgets.
You must mean the two VHFs!
No...that's just good sense. You must mean the radar! Nope....that's
already
been of use and came with the boat. You must mean the mapping GPS!
No....most
everyone has one, so that can't be it. You must mean my autopilot!
Nah...both
came with the boat and they've been handy.
You must mean my handheld windmeter!
Yeah!!! Damn heavy thing!

Ganzy, I've so utterly exposed you as a dumbass. You know nothing about
boats
or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy. Better still, I
managed to slap Scotty who, idiot that he is, strapped himself to your
flaming
star!

Bwahahahahahaha! Hahahahaha! Ha!

RB

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I shudder to think... I'm amazed he didn't eat the keel being away from
a decent meal for so long.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote

You know nothing about boats
or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy.

Watch out Jon, he's been on 3 day sailing passages.

3 DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAHaHahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

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Not with bob on it!

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:28:55 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

"Bobsprit" wrote

You know nothing about boats
or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy.

Watch out Jon, he's been on 3 day sailing passages.

3 DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAHaHahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

Don't laugh Scootz,
A lightweight racing tri can go a f***ing long way in 3 days.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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OzOne wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:21:55 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:


Yep. I find that if I can't move once I'm in the bunk, I'll sleep fine. I've
awakened a couple of times to see window under water.


I woke one night to see the cabin light up like a movie set and a
dreadful din vibrating the whole hull.

We were sliding down the side of a freighter that had come within a
few metres of running us down...it had no running lights...sweet!
My crew had shone a spotlight all over it without any acknowledgement
until the very last minute when a huge spot came on.

*******s didn't even think of me down below in their efforts to save
the boat.



Yikes! Didn't they like you?

Cheers

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You need that radar... really! All of those long weekends...

Ganzy, tells us that Radar has no purpose on short sails...but what about free
Radar?
Hmmmm?

Hoooh ahhh! I'm clubbing seals!

RB

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Sorry, but I missed the point you're trying to make...


BB, he's not kidding either.

RB

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It has to do with people not using their boats... the ones they bought
because
they have great interior space and roomy accomodations.

Right! All those builders I listed...and those boats don't sail??

Bwahahahahaha! Okay Ganzy. I think we can all see that you need to believe
that. Especially when you sail a delapidated daysailor!

RB