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You mean like your virtual sea time?

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ganz, get some sea time and lay off the "virtual" sea time, and then come
back
here to talk.

No. Also when you're trying to move around down below.
You don't want a lot of beam. You do want a lot of handholds.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Yep, made the point.
Classy comfortable interiors are of little use at sea.


not when you are sleeping maybe, but rather nice the rest of the time.

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Don't be overly concerned bob, you wouldn't be able to fit in
any size lee cloth.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I suppose that if I had the
use the main cabin, then there would be lee cloths.


Lee clothes!!!?? No gadgets!!! According to ganzy that is!

RB

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Jackass, you need to learn to read before you should type.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ganz, you believe way too much of what you read. get some sea time and
back to
tell us what you learned.

Incredibly, amazingly wrong. Real sailors measure themselves
by the journey, not the accomodations. Sure, comfort is nice,
but doing the thing is what counts.

wrote in message
.. .
You are quite the moron. Real sailors don't measure themselves by how
uncomfortable they are. They measure themselves by how much they are
enjoying
themselves. Maybe you are so feeble that you need an uncomfortable
nights
sleep
to feel like you are facing a big challenge of some sort.

I'm starting to gather that you don't sail outside a protected bay
somewhere in
a pram.

BB

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How would you know? You don't have any balls...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
If I were going to sea, balls to the wall,
I would want to be sailing a Valiant.

you might rather wish to be on an Ingrid or a Rhodes 41, or a Bermuda 40,
or a
Luders 33, or a Luders 45, or an Eric 32, or a Colin Archer anything, or a
Vanguard, or a whole host of other boats. This is *if* you are going
"balls to
the wall".

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Sounds like you've got some experience with cramps. Note that
I didn't say brain cramps, because you're missing that particular
organ.

wrote in message
...
On 20 Jan 2004 03:52:17 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Sorry, but I missed the point you're trying to make...


BB, he's not kidding either.

RB

I know! Sad, isn't it? I coukld have guessed that Ganzy and his
partner,Tweedle
Dumb Vernon would suffer brain cramps from that.

BB

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I certainly don't have tits Horass.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:48:26 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

You're barely a weekend cruiser. Your boat is bloated with all kinds
of crap, just like your deck is cluttered with fenders. No cruiser in
his right mind would let that happen. If you think Cruising World is
the defining magazine about cruising, you're even dummer than I
imagined.

You don't even own a boat, Jon-boy.




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Well YOU WIN bob... you're weekend trips are just thrilling.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Although I have been "landlocked" for my sailing for the last 15
years, it is at the home of Valiant Yachts. If there is a more
seaworthy boat built, I have yet to see it. There aint nothing
spartan about those boats. If I were going to sea, balls to the wall,
I would want to be sailing a Valiant.


Poor Ganzy. He's been reduced to screaming about my short sails after
failing
to make a single point. Pretty frustrating for him, obviously.

RB

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Shhh... he's got to make a case for restarting his meds....

"felton" wrote in message
...
On 20 Jan 2004 11:42:01 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Although I have been "landlocked" for my sailing for the last 15
years, it is at the home of Valiant Yachts. If there is a more
seaworthy boat built, I have yet to see it. There aint nothing
spartan about those boats. If I were going to sea, balls to the wall,
I would want to be sailing a Valiant.


Poor Ganzy. He's been reduced to screaming about my short sails after
failing
to make a single point. Pretty frustrating for him, obviously.

RB

Ganz didn't make that statement...I did.

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I think you should start by removing yourself. That would
certainly cut down on the excess weight on your crapola
hunter... the pride of the bottom.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:46:46 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

No. I'm not being silly. Most serious sailors have spartan interiors,
certainly with a purpose. The purpose being to elimnate weight.
I know a couple of people who raced from SF to Cabo with a

How would you know? You don't even own a boat.




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Horass is an authority on gayness...

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:06:43 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Interiors are secondary to actually sailing. Most serious sailors don't
give a fig about what's below as long as it doesn't fill with water and
doesn't interfere with the performance.

Only you gay guys don't care.




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felton wrote:


I don't think it has been in production this long becuase it is "salty
looking".

No, but that helps.

I watch these things being built and shipped out all over
the world. These things are built and well thought out.

They have also evolved a bit in design over the years. But as an original concept,
the idea was to design a classic looking boat with the performance of a fin
keeler.... so if they have earned a great reputation for seaworthiness, then it only
proves that a fin keeler can be very seaworthy.


Perhaps it
is slower than it needs be because of the strenght of it's
construction?

Not at all. Usually very fast boats are built to be very strong also, because of the
great stresses involved in sailing fast.


Is that a bad thing for a "seaworthy boat"?

What, speed of strength of construction? Neither, I'd say ;)

By
"scientifically trained sailors", who would that be in reference to?:)

Graduates of the JAXAshby Advanced School of Scientific Sounding Sailboat Gibberish.


JAXAshby wrote
Bob Perry would say different, but then Bob has publicly called me an asshole,

but Bob has also publicly stated that he has struggled with math all his life,
a statement on his part that I do not doubt.

Actually, I don't doubt either statement:)

Actually, I suspect that this is no more true than any other of Jax's claims, such
as having sex with various well known actresses or sailing around the Atlantic
looking for the Gulf Stream for a week.

..... Are you suggesting that yacht
design is ultimately a mathmatical exercise and the best slide rule
operator will design the best boat? That would be an interesting
theory to test.

It's already been tested. Ever since the origin of geometry, people have tried to
use math to design better (usually meaning faster) boats. While the use of large
computers has advanced the practice quite a bit lately, it seems that there is more
to it than pure abstract number crunching. As proven by a certain groups highly
advanced number crunched design that also crunched spars.....



I think Bob's success speaks for itself. The boat has been a success,
commercially and out on the water for over 30 years and is in the
Sailboat Hall of Fame. If "scientifically trained sailors" wish to
nitpick, then so be it.

My only nitpick would be that the canoe stern reduces reserve bouyancy, and makes it
awkward to mount hardware back there. Some people seem to think that the Valiant is
similar in more than superficial aesthetics to some kind of historic pilot cutter or
rescue vessel from the days of sail, but it is really a modern (1970s era) design.
In it's day it was not a crab-crusher, rather it was on the light end of the
displacement/length scale.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:11:05 -0500, DSK wrote:

felton wrote:


By
"scientifically trained sailors", who would that be in reference to?:)

Graduates of the JAXAshby Advanced School of Scientific Sounding Sailboat Gibberish.

Is there a correspondence course? Do they offer any electives in
diesel mechanics?:) I doubt I could get in...I struggle with math.

JAXAshby wrote
Bob Perry would say different, but then Bob has publicly called me an asshole,

but Bob has also publicly stated that he has struggled with math all his life,
a statement on his part that I do not doubt.

Actually, I don't doubt either statement:)

Actually, I suspect that this is no more true than any other of Jax's claims, such
as having sex with various well known actresses or sailing around the Atlantic
looking for the Gulf Stream for a week.

I am fairly certain that Bob called Jax an asshole in the old Cruising
World forum. Then again, I suspect that it wasn't the first or last
time Jax has been "misidentified" as an asshole, so I am not certain
what that has to do with the boat, or the designer in question:)



..... Are you suggesting that yacht
design is ultimately a mathmatical exercise and the best slide rule
operator will design the best boat? That would be an interesting
theory to test.

It's already been tested. Ever since the origin of geometry, people have tried to
use math to design better (usually meaning faster) boats. While the use of large
computers has advanced the practice quite a bit lately, it seems that there is more
to it than pure abstract number crunching. As proven by a certain groups highly
advanced number crunched design that also crunched spars.....



I think Bob's success speaks for itself. The boat has been a success,
commercially and out on the water for over 30 years and is in the
Sailboat Hall of Fame. If "scientifically trained sailors" wish to
nitpick, then so be it.

My only nitpick would be that the canoe stern reduces reserve bouyancy, and makes it
awkward to mount hardware back there. Some people seem to think that the Valiant is
similar in more than superficial aesthetics to some kind of historic pilot cutter or
rescue vessel from the days of sail, but it is really a modern (1970s era) design.
In it's day it was not a crab-crusher, rather it was on the light end of the
displacement/length scale.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Well, I agree it is an "old" design. I have asked the Valiant folks if
they have considered that a newer design might be about due, but they
seem to feel that "if it aint broke, why fix it." Hard to argue with,
I suppose. While I have never been aboard a Passport, I suspect that
it might be a design that would have more appeal to me, particularly
the stern, as you mention. A large part of why I admire the Valiants,
though, is knowing the people who build them and seeing the way they
are put together. They are very well made, and that is something that
is every bit as important as the design.

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felton writes:

I don't think

he continues with:

I watch

then makes this statement:

Perhaps it
is slower than it needs be because of the strenght of it's
construction?

yeah, that's it. certainly not because of a poor design.

Actually, I don't doubt either statement

oh, he made the statement, alright.

What does his math
aptitude have to do with anything?

you are ****ting us, right? Perry made that 19th century bull**** statement
about sailboats hp requirements going otta sight because of "climbing the bow
wave" and you have NO IDEA what math has to do with it? It was a math
statement, yo-yo.

I think Bob's success speaks for itself.

yes, he designed a pretty boat, in fact several pretty boats. That they under
perform relative to what they might (not my informed opinion but rather the
opinion of highly informed and thoroughly trained in the issues) does not in
any detract from their prettiness.

There is much to like about Perry designs, but no one but a fool worships them

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Jax's claims, such
as having sex with various well known actresses

I have made no claim regarding actresses, well-known or not. Two centerfolds,
yes, but not actresses

or sailing around the
Atlantic
looking for the Gulf Stream for a week.

We didn't "sail around the Atlantic". We *did* sail 900 miles down the coast
trying to stay inside the Gulf Stream as it meandered around. We got caught a
couple times and had to tack. Once we got caught and no visual or compass or
gut feeling showed that our course made good had shifted 100*. Only our gps's
and and an onboard LORAN showed that to us.

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Graduates of the JAXAshby Advanced School of Scientific Sounding Sailboat Gibberish.

felton wrote:
Is there a correspondence course? Do they offer any electives in
diesel mechanics?:)

LOL
and a Ph.D in sissy footwells.


I doubt I could get in...I struggle with math.

Too bad. Jax doesn't struggle with math, he ignores it completely except for a few
impressive sounding words he tosses in at random. For Jax, "science" is roughly akin to
"free word association."


.... Some people seem to think that the Valiant is
similar in more than superficial aesthetics to some kind of historic pilot cutter or
rescue vessel from the days of sail, but it is really a modern (1970s era) design.
In it's day it was not a crab-crusher, rather it was on the light end of the
displacement/length scale.



Well, I agree it is an "old" design. I have asked the Valiant folks if
they have considered that a newer design might be about due, but they
seem to feel that "if it aint broke, why fix it." Hard to argue with,
I suppose.

Sure. As Edey & Duff once said, the sea hasn't changed much.

OTOH it would be silly to ignore what has been learned about materials and design since
the 1970s, especially when applicable to whatever your particular goal might be. From
what I've read, Valiant has changed a few things including not using fire-retardant resin
any more.


While I have never been aboard a Passport, I suspect that
it might be a design that would have more appeal to me, particularly
the stern, as you mention. A large part of why I admire the Valiants,
though, is knowing the people who build them and seeing the way they
are put together. They are very well made, and that is something that
is every bit as important as the design.

I haven't been more than a casual guest on any Passports or Valiants either one, and so
can't comment on thier relative build quality. But one thing I like about the Valiants is
that they sail pretty well for their looks and their capacity, good design priorities.
IMHO their record offshore speaks to the judgement & skills of some of the people who
have chosen them.

At times past I've criticised this general type as "faux Colin Archers" (which they are),
but some of them are still good boats in their own right. There's a Valiant 40 at our
marina which has been getting an ambitious program of upgrades this past fall, it will be
interesting to meet the owner and see what he's got in mind.

FB
DSK

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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:45:35 -0500, DSK wrote:



Graduates of the JAXAshby Advanced School of Scientific Sounding Sailboat Gibberish.

felton wrote:
Is there a correspondence course? Do they offer any electives in
diesel mechanics?:)

LOL
and a Ph.D in sissy footwells.


I doubt I could get in...I struggle with math.

Too bad. Jax doesn't struggle with math, he ignores it completely except for a few
impressive sounding words he tosses in at random. For Jax, "science" is roughly akin to
"free word association."




.... Some people seem to think that the Valiant is
similar in more than superficial aesthetics to some kind of historic pilot cutter or
rescue vessel from the days of sail, but it is really a modern (1970s era) design.
In it's day it was not a crab-crusher, rather it was on the light end of the
displacement/length scale.



Well, I agree it is an "old" design. I have asked the Valiant folks if
they have considered that a newer design might be about due, but they
seem to feel that "if it aint broke, why fix it." Hard to argue with,
I suppose.

Sure. As Edey & Duff once said, the sea hasn't changed much.

OTOH it would be silly to ignore what has been learned about materials and design since
the 1970s, especially when applicable to whatever your particular goal might be. From
what I've read, Valiant has changed a few things including not using fire-retardant resin
any more.

In fairness, that was back in the days when Valiants were built in
Washinton by Uniflite. That unfortunate episode resulted in the
demise of "old Valiant" and the birth of "Texas Valiant". No more
blister boats. Beyond that, they added bowsprits to the 40 and 47 and
now call them the 42 and the 50. They discontinued the 32 and the 37.
I thought the 37 was a good looking boat, but such is the way of the
boat business. It seems it costs almost as much to build a 37 as a
40, so why build the smaller boats.


While I have never been aboard a Passport, I suspect that
it might be a design that would have more appeal to me, particularly
the stern, as you mention. A large part of why I admire the Valiants,
though, is knowing the people who build them and seeing the way they
are put together. They are very well made, and that is something that
is every bit as important as the design.

I haven't been more than a casual guest on any Passports or Valiants either one, and so
can't comment on thier relative build quality. But one thing I like about the Valiants is
that they sail pretty well for their looks and their capacity, good design priorities.
IMHO their record offshore speaks to the judgement & skills of some of the people who
have chosen them.

At times past I've criticised this general type as "faux Colin Archers" (which they are),
but some of them are still good boats in their own right. There's a Valiant 40 at our
marina which has been getting an ambitious program of upgrades this past fall, it will be
interesting to meet the owner and see what he's got in mind.

FB
DSK

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From
what I've read, Valiant has changed a few things including not using
fire-retardant resin
any more.

a quick study you are, doguies, that happened about a quarter century ago.

...Passports or Valiants either one, and so
can't comment on thier relative build quality.

Passport quality is excellent, as is usually Valiant.

But one thing I like about the Valiants is
that they sail pretty well for their looks and their capacity

nah. They sail okay "for their looks and capacity" but less so than other boat
of similar looks and capacity.

At times past I've criticised this general type as "faux Colin Archers"
(which they are)

A Passport looks like a Colin Archer? Since when?

And Valiant only looks like a Colin Archer from the deck up.

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But one thing I like about the Valiants is
that they sail pretty well for their looks and their capacity

while a Passport, as beautiful as it is, is one seriously dog slow boat. A
Passport 37 is **ten THOUsand pounds** heavier than design weight. The
designer blames the builder and the builder says he built the boat he asked to
be designed.

A pretty boat of a high quality build, but slooooooow.

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How would you know? You don't have any balls...

It was just a matter of time, folks.


RB

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I certainly don't have tits Horass.


And again!

RB

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Well YOU WIN bob... you're weekend trips are just thrilling.


Yup...so were the daysails!

Let us know when you get a boat and do the same!

RB

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Horass is an authority on gayness...

Can't help himself, even though he exposes himself.

RB

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It's just a matter of time before you WIN (the lack of balls contest).

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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How would you know? You don't have any balls...

It was just a matter of time, folks.


RB

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Replying to every one of my posts certainly means you're a WINNER!!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I certainly don't have tits Horass.


And again!

RB

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Let us know when you become an authority about anything except
being an idiot. You certain WIN with that!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Well YOU WIN bob... you're weekend trips are just thrilling.


Yup...so were the daysails!

Let us know when you get a boat and do the same!

RB

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Let us know when you become an authority

Where's that list of builders making spartan interiors, Ganzy??

Bwahahaahahahaha!

RB

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Where's the knowledge of sailing, booby???

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Let us know when you become an authority

Where's that list of builders making spartan interiors, Ganzy??

Bwahahaahahahaha!

RB

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Where's the knowledge of sailing, booby???

At least I know what a cruising boat ISN'T..as in spartan.
We're waiting for you to prove your point!

Bwahahahahahaha! That thorn is staying in your paw ole boy!

RB

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Unfortunately, there's no way I can prove better than you
can prove that you're the supreme idiot that you are.

YOU WIN AGAIN!!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Where's the knowledge of sailing, booby???

At least I know what a cruising boat ISN'T..as in spartan.
We're waiting for you to prove your point!

Bwahahahahahaha! That thorn is staying in your paw ole boy!

RB

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Jax's claims, such
as having sex with various well known actresses

I have made no claim regarding actresses, well-known or not. Two
centerfolds,
yes, but not actresses


You've only got two dirty magazines?


Regards

Donal
--

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On 20 Jan 2004, r.brody wrote:

Beneteau's premium line???
What are you talking about, I wonder?

. . . I was refering to the custom series, . . .
semi-custom...they are very capable blue water
boats. Beneteau will work closely with a buyer
on these and heft mods can be had.

www.beneteauusa.com/custom/57_photos.php

And not only that, they (or, at least, the one sold so far in the
U.S.) have the ability to "disappear" from the dock, too!!


www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2004-01-20-1
charleston.net/stories/011704/loc_17sailboat.shtml
beaufortgazette.com/state_news/regional/story/3232497p-2891624c.html
www.coastnews.net/missingboat.html

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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:58:17 GMT, felton wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:11:05 -0500, DSK wrote:

felton wrote:


By
"scientifically trained sailors", who would that be in reference to?:)

Graduates of the JAXAshby Advanced School of Scientific Sounding Sailboat Gibberish.

Is there a correspondence course? Do they offer any electives in
diesel mechanics?:) I doubt I could get in...I struggle with math.

JAXAshby wrote
Bob Perry would say different, but then Bob has publicly called me an asshole,

but Bob has also publicly stated that he has struggled with math all his life,
a statement on his part that I do not doubt.

Actually, I don't doubt either statement:)

Actually, I suspect that this is no more true than any other of Jax's claims, such
as having sex with various well known actresses or sailing around the Atlantic
looking for the Gulf Stream for a week.

I am fairly certain that Bob called Jax an asshole in the old Cruising
World forum. Then again, I suspect that it wasn't the first or last
time Jax has been "misidentified" as an asshole, so I am not certain
what that has to do with the boat, or the designer in question:)



..... Are you suggesting that yacht
design is ultimately a mathmatical exercise and the best slide rule
operator will design the best boat? That would be an interesting
theory to test.

It's already been tested. Ever since the origin of geometry, people have tried to
use math to design better (usually meaning faster) boats. While the use of large
computers has advanced the practice quite a bit lately, it seems that there is more
to it than pure abstract number crunching. As proven by a certain groups highly
advanced number crunched design that also crunched spars.....



I think Bob's success speaks for itself. The boat has been a success,
commercially and out on the water for over 30 years and is in the
Sailboat Hall of Fame. If "scientifically trained sailors" wish to
nitpick, then so be it.

If memory serves correctly a few years ago there was an article in Good Old Boat
magazine on factors affecting hull speed. The canoe stern doesn't allow as
clean a separation of the stern wave in addition to a slightly shorter effective
waterline at hull speed, both of which add a little drag.

In another article the designer of the Valiant acknowledged the design
limitations of the canoe stern but it was a requirement of the customer and that
he worked very hard to minimize them.

But above all, remember ALL boats are a compromise.

JJ


My only nitpick would be that the canoe stern reduces reserve bouyancy, and makes it
awkward to mount hardware back there. Some people seem to think that the Valiant is
similar in more than superficial aesthetics to some kind of historic pilot cutter or
rescue vessel from the days of sail, but it is really a modern (1970s era) design.
In it's day it was not a crab-crusher, rather it was on the light end of the
displacement/length scale.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Well, I agree it is an "old" design. I have asked the Valiant folks if
they have considered that a newer design might be about due, but they
seem to feel that "if it aint broke, why fix it." Hard to argue with,
I suppose. While I have never been aboard a Passport, I suspect that
it might be a design that would have more appeal to me, particularly
the stern, as you mention. A large part of why I admire the Valiants,
though, is knowing the people who build them and seeing the way they
are put together. They are very well made, and that is something that
is every bit as important as the design.

James Johnson
remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply

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James Johnson wrote:
If memory serves correctly a few years ago there was an article in Good Old Boat
magazine on factors affecting hull speed. The canoe stern doesn't allow as
clean a separation of the stern wave in addition to a slightly shorter effective
waterline at hull speed, both of which add a little drag.

In another article the designer of the Valiant acknowledged the design
limitations of the canoe stern but it was a requirement of the customer and that
he worked very hard to minimize them.

But above all, remember ALL boats are a compromise.

JJ

That's definitely true.

One benefit of the canoe stern that I don't think anybody has mentioned
yet is that it is structurally stronger (all else being equal) than a
transom.

FB
Doug King

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dougie, a "benefit" is something that adds to the overall effect. In this case
there is no benefit because there is no problem with transoms not being strong
enough on the size and type sailboats under discussion. Calling it a benefit
doesn't make it one. Don't you sell concrete slabs to trailor home people?
You should know the difference between a feature, an advantage and a benefit.

James Johnson wrote:
If memory serves correctly a few years ago there was an article in Good Old
Boat
magazine on factors affecting hull speed. The canoe stern doesn't allow as
clean a separation of the stern wave in addition to a slightly shorter
effective
waterline at hull speed, both of which add a little drag.

In another article the designer of the Valiant acknowledged the design
limitations of the canoe stern but it was a requirement of the customer and
that
he worked very hard to minimize them.

But above all, remember ALL boats are a compromise.

JJ

That's definitely true.

One benefit of the canoe stern that I don't think anybody has mentioned
yet is that it is structurally stronger (all else being equal) than a
transom.

FB
Doug King

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JAXAshby wrote:
dougie, a "benefit" is something that adds to the overall effect. In this case
there is no benefit because there is no problem with transoms not being strong
enough on the size and type sailboats under discussion. Calling it a benefit
doesn't make it one.

Let's see... an inherently stronger structure is not better than an
inherently weaker one? What sort of engineering is this? Oh wait, it's
JAXINEERING!



.... Don't you sell concrete slabs to trailor home people?

No. Why, do you need to buy a concrete slab for your trailer home?

Dsk

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so, making a transom (that doesn't break) 10 times stronger is a *benefit*?

Sounds like a disadvantage to me. Extra cost, extra weight, slower boat speed,
all to fix a problem that doesn't exist.


JAXAshby wrote:
dougie, a "benefit" is something that adds to the overall effect. In this
case
there is no benefit because there is no problem with transoms not being
strong
enough on the size and type sailboats under discussion. Calling it a
benefit
doesn't make it one.

Let's see... an inherently stronger structure is not better than an
inherently weaker one? What sort of engineering is this? Oh wait, it's
JAXINEERING!


Dsk

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JAXAshby wrote:

so, making a transom (that doesn't break) 10 times stronger is a *benefit*?

Sounds like a disadvantage to me. Extra cost, extra weight, slower boat speed,
all to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

That must explain why there's no such thing as hull speed... structural strength
can be zero because they never break... that means boats can be weightless!

Getting all this MC?

DSK

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DSK wrote:



That's definitely true.

One benefit of the canoe stern that I don't think anybody has mentioned
yet is that it is structurally stronger (all else being equal) than a
transom.


Oh that's a real benefit. I guess Doug must be saying that yachts often
sink from their transomes falling off. Hahahhahahahaha.

Cheers

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DSK wrote:

JAXAshby wrote:

dougie, a "benefit" is something that adds to the overall effect. In
this case
there is no benefit because there is no problem with transoms not
being strong
enough on the size and type sailboats under discussion. Calling it a
benefit
doesn't make it one.


Let's see... an inherently stronger structure is not better than an
inherently weaker one? What sort of engineering is this? Oh wait, it's
JAXINEERING!



A reverse transom is still lighter and faster than a canoe and is
designed to be strong enough. Your argument is ridiculous.

Cheers

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DSK wrote:

JAXAshby wrote:


so, making a transom (that doesn't break) 10 times stronger is a *benefit*?

Sounds like a disadvantage to me. Extra cost, extra weight, slower boat speed,
all to fix a problem that doesn't exist.


That must explain why there's no such thing as hull speed... structural strength
can be zero because they never break... that means boats can be weightless!

Getting all this MC?


Yes I'm seeing your ass get whipped again on very basic concepts. Why
not throw in the towel?

Cheers