NO I want my MONEY.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

MC, have you implanted some Neal and Booby genes in yourself as some weird experiment? ala Isle of Dr. Moreau? Your strident and argumentative tone suggests all is not well in NZ.

The navigator© wrote:

NO I want my MONEY.

Well then, you'll have to win the bet.

So far you have lost pathetically, and if you don't mind your manners a little better you might find yourself with a bit of legal bother. A lawyer who hangs around our office says it
could well be actionable as slander and certainly malicious mischief, to title one's posts with another person's name and call them a liar.

The fact that I am the one presenting accurate and truthful information has no legal import, apparently.

DSK

Well ask your friend about threats. And as for truth what about your
truthful statment that the LPS of 180 for a Bolger Micro? That was a lie
and you know it. So ask your friend how publishing the truth is actionable?

Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?
As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends and I'm
waiting for you to simply agree to send the money to a third party! IYou
see, I don't think you are honorable at all and I don't trust youi to
pay up -hence the need for an intermediary. After all, if I reveal my
information why would someone like you pay up?

Cheers MC


DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:

The fact that I am the one presenting accurate and truthful information has no legal import, apparently.

DSK

The navigator© wrote:

... as for truth what about your
truthful statment that the LPS of 180 for a Bolger Micro?

You can calculate whatever LPOS you think best, but if the boat rolls back up from a capsize then as far as I
(and the *real* world) am concerned, it might as well be 180.



Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?

I want you to either send me my money, in US funds, and quit your blather about things you don't know anything
about.


As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends

Well, tell us all the name of your pocket cruiser and the specs.

DSK

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:


You can calculate whatever LPOS you think best, but if the boat rolls back up from a capsize then as far as I
(and the *real* world) am concerned, it might as well be 180.

This would seem a very importnt point, Doug -are you saying you have no
idea what LPS is?



Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?


I want you to either send me my money, in US funds, and quit your blather about things you don't know anything
about.


As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends


Well, tell us all the name of your pocket cruiser and the specs.

How will you pay if I do? I want you to send the money to an
intermediary. What's so hard to understand about that? It's standard
practice for wagers! Come on answer the question, who do you want to act
as intermediary? Would you trust my barrister to execute the terms of
the wager?


DSK

The navigator© wrote:


-are you saying you have no
idea what LPS is?

How do you put such "translations" into what seems to everybody else to be quit plain English?

Your posts suggest that you have but a dim idea what factors affect boat stability, and that you keep changing the
subject is a poor way to hide it.


Well, tell us all the name of your pocket cruiser and the specs.

How will you pay if I do? I want you to send the money to an
intermediary.

I don't give durn what you want.

If you know of a boat in the same size range as the Bolger Micro which has better reserve stability and a higher
LPOS, then post it.

The fact that you have not posted any factual info, and suggested that you could design your own boat to fit the
criteria (and that, in itself, sounds like it could be amusing) suggests that you don't know of any.

The first two boats you posted were much bigger, and had a higher capsize screening ratio. If you have calculated
data for any boats LPOS then you can post it publicly for inspection.

So far you have failed in all counts and are the loser.

Would you trust my barrister to execute the terms of
the wager?

I suggest you show your barrister this thread, and when he gets done laughing at you, take his advice regarding
slander. He can also tell you what measures you can take to protect your boat from attachment.

Meanwhile, if you have not posted your answer and all pertinent data promptly, you will be confirmed as a loser and
a welsher. Either you know of such a boat or you don't. It's quite simple.

DSK

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:


-are you saying you have no
idea what LPS is?


How do you put such "translations" into what seems to everybody else to be quit plain English?


Well do you? You previous statements suggest that you think that any
baot that can recover from a capasize must have an LPS of 180... Stop
evading the issues.

Your posts suggest that you have but a dim idea what factors affect boat stability, and that you keep changing the
subject is a poor way to hide it.


Well, tell us all the name of your pocket cruiser and the specs.


How will you pay if I do? I want you to send the money to an
intermediary.


I don't give durn what you want.

If you know of a boat in the same size range as the Bolger Micro which has better reserve stability and a higher
LPOS, then post it.

So now you are trying to change the terms of the bet Doug. That won't
work because the bet is part of the public record.

You refusal to agree to the normal terms for resolution of a bet shows
me that you have no intention of honoring your bet. So have felt free to
call me a welsher and other things -for which I did not threaten you by
the way, you now try to bluster your way out. A gentleman would
apoloigise and ask that the bet be forgiven but you have demonstrated
what you are. You have lied and attempted to coerce me to send you money
by threats. I'm not going to pursue this now, because I think you've
shown everyone world wide what you are. I'm also heading off the weekend.

Take a bottle and tape a coin to the side of it to act as ballast. You
now have a vessel with a LPS of 180 degress. Try it! This principle has
been used many times in producing "capsize proof" boats measuring 8'
and up for ocean crossings and similar tasks -for example see the
Selway-Fisher Micro 8 mini yacht. The current enclosed ship rescue pods
also use this idea.

The bolger micro does not have an LPS of 180 degress because of it's box
sections -a bit like current container ships. As I said the form
stability of a box section drops badly at 45 degrees, and without the
keel would be stable on it's side (think of a wooden block). However
that initial good form stability ( 45 degrees) also means that when
inverted it will also be stable and and may only recover if it floods
down. Nevertheless, it has a good range of positive stability thanks to
form and the ballasted keel and my quick analysis suggests somewhere
between 115 and 130 degress -figures that I know Bolger and Friends will
confirm for you if you contact them yourself. Many boats have LPS's
greater than 140 degrees, even small Hunters can get up there! But the
Micro 8 design types go to about 170-175 degrees. Contact the designer
yourself if you don't believe me. Since you won't pay I'll not waste
their time getting them to confirm these figures.

For you information, I did stability calculations as an apprentice Naval
Architect at a major ship builder in the EU. I also worked from time to
time in a yacht design office during university holidays. So you see I
think I know a bit about this subject.

So there you are. You lost your wager and I'm not expecting you to honor
it. If you wish you can send me a gift to make amends but I'll not
expect that either.

MC






The fact that you have not posted any factual info, and suggested that you could design your own boat to fit the
criteria (and that, in itself, sounds like it could be amusing) suggests that you don't know of any.

The first two boats you posted were much bigger, and had a higher capsize screening ratio. If you have calculated
data for any boats LPOS then you can post it publicly for inspection.

So far you have failed in all counts and are the loser.


Would you trust my barrister to execute the terms of
the wager?


I suggest you show your barrister this thread, and when he gets done laughing at you, take his advice regarding
slander. He can also tell you what measures you can take to protect your boat from attachment.

Meanwhile, if you have not posted your answer and all pertinent data promptly, you will be confirmed as a loser and
a welsher. Either you know of such a boat or you don't. It's quite simple.

DSK

NO I want my MONEY.

Cheers MC

Why? It's not like it's worth anything....

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