Since when is stating facts bragging? You call it opressive? tell me
about your airport security....

Cheers MC

Vito Steockli wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote.....

Here in NZ we .....


talk funny and never shear our sheep with nobody!


.. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many

people here even have a storm jib?

Since my boat is a pleasure craft it is by definition a toy, seaworthy or
no. Question is why would anyone brag about an oppressive government? Have
you considered professional help for your condition - a good deprogrammer
perhaps?

You don't have the Siebe (sp) Gorman?

Cheers MC

Donals Dilemma wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:47:45 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Halon is best?

Cheers MC


In an enclosed space?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

In a space that can be closed off, yeah. Been there, done that, got the
T-shirt.....

PDW

In article ,
The_navigator© wrote:

Halon is best?

Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:
In article , Donals Dilemma
wrote:


On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:05:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
om...

Here in Australia we can build/buy anything we like and sail it
anywhere there's enough water to float it.

Top marks!

If Oz has his way, you won't be able to get out if bed without a bloody
certificate!

Quite the contrary my dear Donal.
I have no sailing qualifications and carry letters of recommendation
whenever I travel and plan on doing any sailing or chartering.

There was a few years ago a push by Govt to require licensing of
anyone who wished to take a boat outside of enclosed water. I was a
vigorous campaigner against this move but was behind regulations that
require certification regarding First Aid and use of survival
equipment for offshore races where boats are pushed into conditions
where the normal rec sailor wouldn't venture.


Heh. All of my people (including myself) have current first aid,
survival at sea & marine firefighting certs. Most of us are qualified
SCUBA divers and have boat licences of various types, limited coxwain
or full coxwain being most common.

Try putting out a fuel oil fire in a (simulated) bilge with grates,
deck plates etc if you want something really scary.

PDW

Not banned for ship engine rooms. Nothing else is as effective. My
computer room on the ship has a halon-based fire suppressant system
too. Probably redundant these days - was put in when the room was full
of DEC Vaxen, now we use a handful of Solaris/Linux machines to do the
same job. One lonely Win2K machine because it runs an app for which
thre is no linux equivalent, unfortunately.

PDW

In article , Donals Dilemma
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:57:49 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:

You don't have the Siebe (sp) Gorman?

Cheers MC

Bwaaahahahahahahahaaa!
Nope, but I have been in a mainframe room where they had those little
emergency air supplies in case the Halon was set off.

IIRC it's now banned?


Donals Dilemma wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:47:45 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Halon is best?

Cheers MC


In an enclosed space?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Touche!!!!!! The last time I transitted through LAX it was worse than
Sukarno Hatta and that's not easy.

PDW

In article ,
The_navigator© wrote:

Since when is stating facts bragging? You call it opressive? tell me
about your airport security....

Cheers MC

Vito Steockli wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote.....

Here in NZ we .....


talk funny and never shear our sheep with nobody!


.. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many

people here even have a storm jib?

Since my boat is a pleasure craft it is by definition a toy, seaworthy or
no. Question is why would anyone brag about an oppressive government? Have
you considered professional help for your condition - a good deprogrammer
perhaps?

In article , DSK
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:

Not more than once....

I've had the pleasure of putting out a fire from a 45kg cylinder when
the pressure release valve had triggered, and one from a 4" main with a
pipe flange rupture. Both under controlled conditions as part of my
training. It takes 2 people to snuff one of these, you can't do it
alone and you definitely can't do it with a fire extinguisher. Takes a
full sized fire hose.

It's also crucial to shut off the source of fuel for the fire.

That's why it takes 2 people. One to keep the fire hose aimed at the
LPG leak to suppress the fire, the 2nd to go forward and shut off the
valve near the supply. The training has the leak at the valve flange to
simulate a 'worst case' approach. you need to know that you can trust
your partner which is why fire fighting people train in teams.

Few people
realize
how well most fiberglass burns. Once a fire gets started on a small boat, the
only
hope is to put it out FAST.




Fires on ships are one of the worst things that can happen.

Yes indeed. I once had the dubious pleasure of putting out a class C fire in a
ships laundry, which was located just above the helo fuel storage & pumping
room.
I was careful to not show anybody else in the fire party the DC diagrams,
didn't
want to start a panic! Much more fun than training.

Gets the adrenaline going that's for sure. The toy fire extinguishers
most people have are a waste of space, they might snuff a cigarette
lighter on a good day but a spilt pan of fat that's flashed - probably
not. OTOH the fire blankets are surprisingly (to me when I first used
one) effective on contained fires.

PDW

Unfortunaely. another example of ligilation missing the boat. the risk
to the ozone layer was not the minute amount of Halon released to
control fires in critical locations but user CFC's. On board a boat you
need the best possible fire control equipment and that's halon. Dry
powder is rubbish in comaprison...

Cheers MC

Donals Dilemma wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:57:49 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


You don't have the Siebe (sp) Gorman?

Cheers MC


Bwaaahahahahahahahaaa!
Nope, but I have been in a mainframe room where they had those little
emergency air supplies in case the Halon was set off.

IIRC it's now banned?



Donals Dilemma wrote:


On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:47:45 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:



Halon is best?

Cheers MC


In an enclosed space?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

That's what I thought. So halon for boat fires is best. Right now we are
syupoosed to be decomissioning all our halons. I've handed on in but
there's still another on board (in addition to the dry powder). I wonder
if I should keep it -just in case. what do you think?


Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:

In a space that can be closed off, yeah. Been there, done that, got the
T-shirt.....

PDW

In article ,
The_navigator© wrote:


Halon is best?

Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , Donals Dilemma
wrote:



On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:05:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:



"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
news:031220031120583773%peter_d_wiley@hotmail .com...


Here in Australia we can build/buy anything we like and sail it
anywhere there's enough water to float it.

Top marks!

If Oz has his way, you won't be able to get out if bed without a bloody
certificate!

Quite the contrary my dear Donal.
I have no sailing qualifications and carry letters of recommendation
whenever I travel and plan on doing any sailing or chartering.

There was a few years ago a push by Govt to require licensing of
anyone who wished to take a boat outside of enclosed water. I was a
vigorous campaigner against this move but was behind regulations that
require certification regarding First Aid and use of survival
equipment for offshore races where boats are pushed into conditions
where the normal rec sailor wouldn't venture.


Heh. All of my people (including myself) have current first aid,
survival at sea & marine firefighting certs. Most of us are qualified
SCUBA divers and have boat licences of various types, limited coxwain
or full coxwain being most common.

Try putting out a fuel oil fire in a (simulated) bilge with grates,
deck plates etc if you want something really scary.

PDW

Good lord are you serious? It took me near 2 hours to get through LAX to
another outbounf flight earlier this year! If fingerprinting and photos
were included the delayes gound go up hugely! How will fingerprinting
anyone stop a terrorist attack anyway?

Cheers MC

Donals Dilemma wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:48:15 +1100, Peter Wiley
wrote:


Touche!!!!!! The last time I transitted through LAX it was worse than
Sukarno Hatta and that's not easy.

PDW


Heh heh, saw an article the other day about US airport security.
They've bee challenged on discrimination basis for photographing and
fingerprinting all foreign nationals from the Middle east.

To allay the protests, they've decide to photograph and fingerprint
EVERY foreign arrival.

Should make LAX a real fun place when 6 or 7 747's arrive within a
half hour.
Might be worth looking at arrival schedules before booking a flight!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Hell, my boat IS critical to my survival if I'm cruising!

Cheers MC

Donals Dilemma wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:21:48 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Unfortunaely. another example of ligilation missing the boat. the risk
to the ozone layer was not the minute amount of Halon released to
control fires in critical locations but user CFC's. On board a boat you
need the best possible fire control equipment and that's halon. Dry
powder is rubbish in comaprison...

Cheers MC


I think its still OK in critical applications though alternatives are
being sought.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.