Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Not from what I've seen. It's easy to say pain is a now concept.
It's another to either be in the now for weeks/months on end or
watch someone wither away who is.

My point was that medical science advances. Given that, I would choose pain
over oblivion.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

The_navigator© wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. snip

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

Sorry to hear it. That *is* a hard decision to make.

Seahag

"Seahag" wrote in message ...

The_navigator© wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. snip

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

Sorry to hear it. That *is* a hard decision to make.


And a cruel, self-centered, unnecessary and just plain wrong one.

S.Simon

Simple Simon wrote:

"Seahag" wrote:

The_navigator© wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. snip

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move
freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

Sorry to hear it. That *is* a hard decision to make.


And a cruel, self-centered, unnecessary and just plain wrong one.

From his other post I got the impression that the blindness was caused by
some disease. Why make an animal go through all the stages of a fatal
disease?

Seahag

"Seahag" wrote in message ...

Simple Simon wrote:

"Seahag" wrote:

The_navigator© wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. snip

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move
freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

Sorry to hear it. That *is* a hard decision to make.


And a cruel, self-centered, unnecessary and just plain wrong one.

From his other post I got the impression that the blindness was caused by
some disease. Why make an animal go through all the stages of a fatal
disease?


It depends upon how fast the disease progresses and how much
the animal is actually suffering. Medical science doesn't necessarily
have all the answers even for people - for animals lot's of the time
they're pretty clueless.

S.Simon

It is clear to me that you have a lot of pent up hate and if you choose
to vent it on me at a time of our sorrow then I feel sad for you. On the
best vetenary advice including experts, we decided to put her to sleep.
If you knew anything about cats you would know that rapid blindness in a
kitten is a sure sign of something very very serious was wrong. But
that's not the point, she had a painless end before the trauma became
worse. We could not bear the thought of her suffering at all. You on the
otherhand would advocate keeping the animal alive because it fulfilled
your needs -regardless of the animal suffering.

Further communication on this topic with you is pointless as you neither
know the facts nor are prepared to listen to the point of view of animal
care experts. An apology from you would be in order but I'm not
expecting you to apologise.

MC

Simple Simon wrote:
Nobody let's me play God but God did give me a brain which
with to think and eyes which to see and ears which with to hear
and other senses. If a couple of my senses happen to become
faulty or even if I lose one of them completely that does not make
me so impaired that I would wish somebody to execute me to
put me out of my misery.

You, on the other hand profess to miss you cat, a cat you killed
because her existence had become something that may have
required a little more work on your part. I maintain that since
you executed your cat you did not love her at all and you
certainly do not miss her. What you really feel is guilt because
you did the wrong thing. You took on the obligation of a pet
and then when the pet did not turn out the way you expected
you simply killed her to get rid of her and any inconvenience
she may have caused.

You are the typical cruel, careless, and asshole pet owner
who seems to think pets only exist to live up to their owner's
expectations. You and your ilk have no conscience and no
business even calling yourself human. You're sick and that's
a fact. You even post a psychotic post describing murder of an
animal for no good reason other than your being inconvenienced
and you expect sympathy. Well, you got sympathy but not
from anybody who has a pet and loves a pet. The sympathy
you got was from other people like yourself who think pets
are for throwing away any time they don't live up to their
warped expectations. You're an asshole plain and simple.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Who lets you play God?

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Lot's of cats who see perfectly well also get run over by cars.

A concerned owner would not let a blind cat play in the traffic.

Is weight loss a sign stupid?

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in message ...

Simple Simon wrote:

"Seahag" wrote:

The_navigator© wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. snip

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move

freely

so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

Sorry to hear it. That *is* a hard decision to make.


And a cruel, self-centered, unnecessary and just plain wrong one.

From his other post I got the impression that the blindness was caused by
some disease. Why make an animal go through all the stages of a fatal
disease?



It depends upon how fast the disease progresses and how much
the animal is actually suffering. Medical science doesn't necessarily
have all the answers even for people - for animals lot's of the time
they're pretty clueless.

S.Simon

That is pure selfishness and you know it.

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

BULL****! One does not kill any creature one loves.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

There you go shooting off your mouth. You have no idea what was
happening to her -apart from the fact that she was going blind. FYI this
was a 5 month old kitten -and a major factor in both the disease process
and it's outcome. For an older cat, blindness would not be a major
problem. This decision was not taken lightly and was taken with expert
vetenary advice. Believe me, we loved her lots.

MC

Simple Simon wrote:


What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

A cat has other senses than their eyes. You should have
allowed her to live in the house where she would know
her whereabouts by sound and smell. Instead you
killed her and deprived her of many years of happiness.

Do you know that time spent dreaming is just as real
to a cat as time awake in the real world with eyes open?
Did you not realize that your cat would not be blind in her
dreams?

After all, a blind cat doesn't even realize she is blind. It's
not like that at all for a cat. The only thing she would have
known is it got really dark during her waking hours and
the sun doesn't seem to come out anymore. She'd have coped.
She'd have spent more time sleeping and dreaming. You'd
only have had to change your life just a little to assist her in
living safely.

Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?

S.Simon - actually loves his cat and would never kill
him simply because he went blind.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even

from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC

People with AIDS lose weight. Should we kill them?

What did your kitten have - feline AIDS, leukemia,
rabies? What? Why don't you say? Let us decide
for ourselves how sick your kitten was.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Is weight loss a sign stupid?

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in message ...

Simple Simon wrote:

"Seahag" wrote:

The_navigator© wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. snip

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move

freely

so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

Sorry to hear it. That *is* a hard decision to make.


And a cruel, self-centered, unnecessary and just plain wrong one.

From his other post I got the impression that the blindness was caused by
some disease. Why make an animal go through all the stages of a fatal
disease?



It depends upon how fast the disease progresses and how much
the animal is actually suffering. Medical science doesn't necessarily
have all the answers even for people - for animals lot's of the time
they're pretty clueless.

S.Simon

"Wally" wrote in message
| Those two scenarios are polarised and don't really reflect the spread that
| exists in reality.

You're just trying to "psych" me out aren't you Wally..... it ain't gonna
work!

| Perhaps that would be better placed in a thread concerned with politcs and
| economics.

Sailing is all about compromises Wally...... like politics & economics!

CM