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What way to edge.
Dirk Barends wrote: Steve wrote: [...] I think it's useful to use the words "lean" and "edge/heel" (kayaks edge, open boats heel) separately. Personally I prefer to use the word 'leaning', because it is easier to understand what is meant by leaning (to the) right or left, where edging (to the) left or right gives more room for misinterpretations... as I have noticed. I make the distinction precisely because i want to be able to use the terms differently. So that I can say to a beginner, for example, "Don't lean, edge the boat" Unless I'm teaching a low brace turn, which is leaned, by my definition. Also, in the Netherlands at least, edging right is leaning left, and vice versa, and that makes it even less desirable to use those words together indeed to avoid confusion! So, you always say "lean" (or "leun"), but then add "boat" or "body" to the front of it to make your meaning clear. That should work I like my way better, but I wouldn't want to talk you out of yours. The important thing is consistency. If "lean" can mean two things, saying "Lean!" is ambiguous. "Lean the boat!" isn't. Other interesting article to read about leaning: http://www.paddlermagazine.com/issues/1999_2/Skheel.htm Note that Mark uses the terms "boat lean" or "J-lean" a couple of times initially, then abandons the word and uses "heel" for the rest of the article. That's consistent with the way he teaches in person, IIRC. Steve |
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Steve wrote:
[...] So, you always say "lean" (or "leun"), but then add "boat" or "body" to the front of it to make your meaning clear. Yes, but since I prefer a 'boat lean" (edging) over a "body lean" in most situations, when I am certain that it is clear that I mean a "boat lean", I just say 'lean' (right or left). Although I am well aware that for some kind of boats (very/too stable ones) and situations, to get enough "boat lean", more or less "body lean" is unavoidable though. In that case, the ability to brace (recovery in the UK?) is certainly required, in my view and experience... Dirk Barends |
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What way to edge.
Pople are getting a bit too bitchy with each other for my liking, and a
bit too technical for my liking. If you're in a long boat edge away fom the direction you want to turn; if you're in a short boat edge toward the direction you want to turn. Or, to avoid confusing the dutch: if you're in a marathon boat and want to turn left, put all your weight on your right bum cheek. |
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What way to edge.
Dom Murphy wrote:
Pople are getting a bit too bitchy with each other for my liking, and a bit too technical for my liking. Bitchy? Moi? I thought this was a very respectful exchange of views. Technical? Well, only if you don't care why it works. If you're in a long boat edge away fom the direction you want to turn; if you're in a short boat edge toward the direction you want to turn. That pretty much sums it up for me. Or, to avoid confusing the dutch: if you're in a marathon boat and want to turn left, put all your weight on your right bum cheek. Yet another way to put it. Thanks. Steve |
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What way to edge.
Dom Murphy wrote:
Pople are getting a bit too bitchy with each other for my liking, and a bit too technical for my liking. If you're in a long boat edge away fom the direction you want to turn; That's a bit too, errr, /wrong/ for my liking. While it's true for a carved turn, if I try and break into a strong tidal flow in a 5m sea kayak using that advice then I'll get very, very wet and very, very fast. Long boats can be edged either way, according to the sort of turn you make and the conditions you do it in. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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