"Boater" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.

My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.

A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.


"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?



It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.



I agree that the burden of paying for necessary health care should be
lifted from US corporations, and handled the way it is in other modern
countries.

I'm also a bit wearing of hearing about Joe the Auto Assembly Line Worker,
whose career consisted of putting four screws in a dashboard.
If that is all Joe does, and it is unlikely, then that is the job
management wants done. It isn't his fault. I haven't been in an auto plant
in many years, but when I was last in one, I didn't see any jobs like
that, and all the jobs I saw were certainly more valuable than being, oh,
a stock broker or plumbing supply dealer or software pussy.

Like leaning on a post, watching robotic arms assemble a car and the
equivalent of 85 bucks an hour?
He's there because his union has a contract saying he is entitled to be
there.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.

My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.

A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.

"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?



It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.


One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

On Nov 13, 8:38*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. *My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. *That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.

My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.

A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.

"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?

It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. * I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. * In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.

One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

In this day and age, self sufficiency is looked upon as a social
disease. Notice the glares you get from liberals, if you mention it

On Nov 13, 10:43*am, Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. *My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. *That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. * I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. * In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. *My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. *He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. *He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. *He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. *Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

In this day and age, self sufficiency is looked upon as a social
disease. Notice the glares you get from liberals, if you mention it- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please quit lumping all liberals in one catagory. I'm liberal, and I'm
all for self sufficiency.

Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than
the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have
to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared
for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall
savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than
covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the
deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

In this day and age, self sufficiency is looked upon as a social
disease. Notice the glares you get from liberals, if you mention it
What does self sufficiency have to do with ducks in the pond.
The Worker got the job and bargained for his pay. He's surviving.
Evidently he is struggling sufficiently to suit you.

tin cup wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that
same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs
than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have
to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared
for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall
savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than
covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the
deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy
food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

In this day and age, self sufficiency is looked upon as a social
disease. Notice the glares you get from liberals, if you mention it
What does self sufficiency have to do with ducks in the pond.
The Worker got the job and bargained for his pay. He's surviving.
Evidently he is struggling sufficiently to suit you.

I don't have the foggiest Idea what you just said. Are you agreeing with
me or not?

wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant
were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that
same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring
the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs
than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have
to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be
prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall
savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than
covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the
deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your
perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy
food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.


Your buds in the corporate world and the financial word have their hands
all over your retirement accounts. Your real boogeyman pushs keys on a
keyboard.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500, Jim wrote:

tin cup wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that
same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs
than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have
to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared
for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall
savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than
covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the
deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy
food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

In this day and age, self sufficiency is looked upon as a social
disease. Notice the glares you get from liberals, if you mention it
What does self sufficiency have to do with ducks in the pond.
The Worker got the job and bargained for his pay. He's surviving.
Evidently he is struggling sufficiently to suit you.

I don't have the foggiest Idea what you just said. Are you agreeing with
me or not?

Troll Troll Troll you post.

Gently down the bit stream... :)

wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.
Obama might not but Wall Street sure did and will again.