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Iraq and the Election
Poll Shows Bush Losing Ground on Anti-terror Policy

Analysis
By Gary Langer
ABCNEWS.com

June 21, 2004

— Amid rising disenchantment with the war in Iraq, President Bush has
lost significant ground on the issue on which he's staked his
presidency: fighting terrorism.

For the first time in ABC News/Washington Post polls, more than half of
Americans, 52 percent, say the Iraq war was not worth fighting. Seven in
10 call U.S. casualties there "unacceptable," a new high. And there's
been a steady slide in belief that the war has enhanced long-term U.S.
security; 51 percent now say so, down 11 points this year.

Bush, moreover, has weakened in his once-strongest area. Approval of his
handling of the U.S. campaign against terrorism has fallen to 50
percent, its lowest yet — down eight points in the last month and 29
points below its immediate postwar peak. In a hazardous turn of fortune
for Bush, Democrat John Kerry now runs evenly with him in trust to
handle terrorism; Bush had led by 13 points on this issue a month ago,
and by 21 points the month before.

Sampling, data collection and tabulation for this poll were done by TNS.

While Kerry's pressing hard on an issue Bush once owned, the president
has not entirely relinquished his advantage on terrorism. On a personal
level, the public by a 14-point margin picks him over Kerry to keep the
nation safer and more secure. And the Massachusetts senator may be
vulnerable on specifics; only four in 10 say he has a "clear plan" on
terrorism, while Bush does better.

But Kerry is scoring against Bush elsewhere as well, running ahead in
trust to handle five of nine issues tested in this poll, from taxes to
education to health care; Bush doesn't lead significantly in any of
them. And personally, while Americans broadly see Bush as more
consistent, they see Kerry as more honest and trustworthy, by a 13-point
margin, and more in touch with their problems, by 20 points.

Evaluating Bush's overall job performance, 47 percent of Americans now
approve while 51 percent disapprove, inching over half for the first
time in ABC/Post polls. In head-to-head matchups among registered
voters, Kerry has a slight four-point lead over Bush when independent
candidate Ralph Nader is included, and a larger eight-point lead with
Nader out of the contest.

With life-and-death issues such as Iraq and terrorism as a backdrop, and
the economy a continued concern, interest in the presidential contest is
unusually high. More than three-quarters of Americans are following it
closely, a third "very closely." By contrast, at this time in 2000,
fewer than half (49 percent) were closely following the contest between
Bush and Al Gore, only 13 percent very closely.

Iraq Impact

While time ultimately will tell, at this point it's hard to see Iraq as
anything but a net negative politically for the Bush administration. In
addition to increasingly negative reaction to the level of casualties,
and essentially split decisions on whether the war was worth fighting or
improved U.S. security, other assessments have worsened as well.

Seventy-six percent now say the war has damaged the United States' image
in the rest of the world; that's 13 points more than last summer.
Sixty-three percent say it's caused long-term harm to U.S. relations
with countries that opposed the war, up 12 points. And just four in 10
say it's improved long-term stability in the Middle East, down eight
points. (In a more positive assessment, 65 percent think the war has
improved the lives of the Iraqi people.)


Iraq Handover

Given such views, the public seems eager to put Iraq back into Iraqis'
hands. An overwhelming 82 percent approve of the transfer of power to an
interim government on June 30 — but many see it as an insufficient
exercise. More than half think the United States will continue to hold
the real power in Iraq, even though three-quarters would prefer to see
real power shift to the Iraqis.

Indeed, the public splits evenly on who should have final say on the
presence of U.S. forces in Iraq — the United States or the new Iraqi
government. And majorities say the Iraqis should have final say on a
variety of other fronts — running Iraq's oil industry, managing its
economy, administering its non-U.S. foreign aid and determining what's
ultimately done with Saddam Hussein. (For the time being, though,
Americans by 2-1 say the United States should keep physical custody of
the former Iraqi president.)

There are just two matters, by contrast, in which majorities say the
United States should retain final say in Iraq: the activities (as
opposed to the presence) of U.S. forces, and the administration of
American aid projects.


Others results show mixed perceptions of progress for the Bush
administration: With a new interim government now in place and the
formal handover imminent, half of Americans say the United States has
made "significant progress" toward establishing a democratic government
in Iraq. While hardly rousing, that's up by 12 points from last month.
The country divides similarly, 51 percent to 48 percent, on U.S.
progress toward restoring civil order.

Iraq and Al Qaeda

Most Americans continue to suspect that Iraq, under Saddam, did provide
support to the al Qaeda terrorist network — a position under debate
since the 9/11 commission last week reported that there was evidence of
contacts, but not of an operational relationship, between the two.

It should be noted, though, that the majority's suspicion of an Iraq-al
Qaeda link is just that — a suspicion, not an assertion or assumption of
fact. In this poll, 62 percent think Iraq provided direct support to al
Qaeda, nearly what it was (68 percent) in January 2003, before the war.
But just 23 percent say there's "solid evidence" of this support; 38
percent say instead that it's their suspicion only.

As on other "50/50 nation" issues, the public divides about evenly on
whether the Bush administration intentionally misled the American public
about Iraq-al Qaeda links (48 percent say so) or told the public simply
what it believed to be true (50 percent).

Terrorism

The murder Friday of Paul Johnson, an American working in Saudi Arabia,
can't have helped public views of the terrorism situation; indeed,
Bush's approval rating on terrorism was better in interviews Thursday
night, before the slaying, than subsequently. At the same time, Bush's
trouble on this central issue has been brewing; he had 70 percent
approval on terrorism in mid-December, 64 percent in February and 58
percent in May, en route to his 50 percent now.

It's a problem for Bush because since Sept. 11, 2001, handling the war
on terrorism has been his strongest rating by far — the wellspring of
his support. In this poll, by contrast, it's no better than his middling
ratings in several areas. And he does worse in a variety of others —
including health care (57 percent disapprove), the deficit (56 percent
disapprove, albeit better than the 65 percent disapproval in March),
international affairs and Iraq.


History

Bush's position is an uncomfortable one in historical terms. In all but
one case since 1948, incumbent presidents whose approval ratings were
below 50 percent in June or July of an election year either lost (Bush's
father, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford) or didn't run (Lyndon Johnson and
Harry Truman in 1952). The exception was Truman in 1948.

Still, at 47 percent Bush's approval rating is higher than others' in
the group — closest to Ford, who lost narrowly. Bush's father's approval
rating in June 1992, by contrast, was 12 points lower.

Bush vs. Kerry

As noted above, Kerry leads Bush in trust to handle a range of specific
issues; moreover, Kerry's standing on some of these have improved. He
leads Bush by 13 points in trust to handle taxes; it was a six-point
Bush lead in April. Kerry leads Bush by 12 points in trust to handle
prescription drug benefits, up from three points in April. And Kerry has
a 10-point lead on education; it was Bush +3 in April.

The most notable change, again, is in trust to handle terrorism — Bush
+21 in April, Bush +13 in May, Kerry +1 (i.e., a dead heat) now, a shift
that occurred almost entirely among women, particularly independents.
But the change on education, among others, is important as well;
neutralizing the Democrats on this issue was crucial to Bush's 2000
campaign.




Most Important Issue

Americans divide on which issue will be most important in their vote for
president: Twenty-six percent say the economy, 19 percent Iraq, 18
percent terrorism, with the rest divided among other choices. There are
sharp divisions within these issue groups. People who say Iraq is their
most important issue pick Kerry over Bush in trust to handle it by
nearly a 2-1 margin, 60 percent to 32 percent. Those who say it's
terrorism pick Bush to handle that issue by a similar margin, 67 percent
to 31 percent. Among economy voters, Kerry is preferred, by 21 points.



Economy

The economy is one area in which the headwinds against Bush may be
easing. In March, Bush's disapproval for handling it was higher, 59
percent, and Kerry (riding his primary bounce) had a bigger lead in
trust to handle it. While just 45 percent now say the economy's in good
shape, it was worse, 39 percent, in March, and worse still, 30 percent,
last fall.

At the same time, using Ronald Reagan's famous formulation, 45 percent
of Americans say most people are worse off than when Bush took office,
while just 17 percent say most are better off. This was a bit more
negative last fall, but it's still not at all good. To the extent that
Bush may try to claim the Reagan mantle, Kerry might well respond with
the better-off question that same president enshrined in the political
lexicon.

Plans

Fifty-five percent say Bush does have a clear plan for dealing with
terrorism, but fewer, ranging from 42 percent to 48 percent, say he has
clear plans in other important areas: handling Iraq, the economy and
health care.

Majorities see Kerry as having clear plans for two issues on this list —
health care and the economy. But just 42 percent say he has a clear plan
on either terrorism or Iraq — 13 points worse than Bush on the former,
six points on the latter.


Attributes

In addition to issues, assessments of candidates' personal attributes
are an essential piece of any election puzzle. Here Americans are
differentiating between Bush and Kerry in striking ways. Bush has a
21-point lead over Kerry as someone who "takes a position and sticks
with it," and, as noted, a 14-point lead as someone who "will make the
country safer and more secure."

Bush also leads by eight points as the stronger leader, and by 12 as the
one best trusted in a crisis. The two are rated about evenly in values
and standing up to special interest groups; while, as noted, Kerry leads
by 13 points on honesty and trustworthiness, and by 20 points on empathy
— someone who "understands the problems of people like you." As much as
the issues, winning allegiance on these attributes is the ground on
which the 2004 election will be fought.

Optimism

Part of winning that allegiance relies on the candidates' personal
outlook, and the extent to which it jibes with the public's. Despite the
country's problems, optimism prevails in several areas.

Thinking about the year ahead, 62 percent are optimistic about "the way
things are going in this country" (albeit down seven points from
January); 66 percent are optimistic about the country's ability to
defend itself against terrorism (albeit down nine points); 64 percent
are optimistic about the economy (level). Fewer, 52 percent, are
optimistic about the situation in Iraq; it was 58 percent in January.

A challenge for Kerry is in finding a way to confront Bush on these
issues, and portray the problems they pose, without sounding a note of
dour pessimism that's out of touch with the broader public's point of
view. Bush, for his part, has made a point lately of stressing his
optimistic outlook, and contrasting it with Kerry's.

Vote Preference

These issues and attributes will play out in vote preferences all summer
and fall; what matters more at this point is the substance of the
debate, not its eventual outcome — which news polls this far from the
event don't even try to project.

Among other factors, vote preferences are influenced by, and in turn
influence, political party allegiance. Among registered voters in this
poll, 38 percent describe themselves as Democrats, 30 percent as
Republicans and 28 percent as independents (it's a 35 percent-29
percent-30 percent split among all Americans, not just those who say
they're registered to vote).

Those divisions are almost precisely the same as they were in the last
ABC/Post poll, in late May (among registered voters, 37 percent-29
percent-28 percent). In that poll, Bush and Kerry were even in the
three-way race (46 percent-46 percent-4 percent, compared with 44
percent-48 percent-6 percent here); and it was 47 percent-49 percent
Bush-Kerry in the two-way race, compared with 45 percent-53 percent here.

These slight shifts in preference have occurred, not in the overall
partisan makeup of the sample, but among groups. Women, in particular,
have moved toward Kerry, as have, perhaps most crucially, independents —
the true swing voters in election politics.

Methodology

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone June 17-20
among a random national sample of 1,201 adults. The results have a
three-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation were
done by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Iraq and the Election
Poll Shows Bush Losing Ground on Anti-terror Policy

More misleading leads.....

Bottom line: about half the country's concerned about the war. Duh!

Where's the beef? Right here---

..... the president
has not entirely relinquished his advantage on terrorism. On a personal
level, the public by a 14-point margin picks him over Kerry to keep the
nation safer and more secure.



...Kerry is scoring against Bush elsewhere as well, running ahead in
trust to handle five of nine issues tested in this poll,

Gee, that's about half, isn't it?

.....Bush doesn't lead significantly in any of
them.

Of course, there's no comment as to whether Kerry leads significantly in any
of them. Slanted reportage?



Methodology

....among a random national sample of 1,201 adults.

Not likely voters? Waste of time.

Split right down the middle.

One half of the country consists of patriots. The other half? Either fascists
or traitors, depending upon perspective. :-)


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Monday June 21, 2004--The latest Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking
Poll shows Senator John F. Kerry with 47% of the vote and President George W.
Bush with 44%. The Tracking Poll is updated daily by noon Eastern.

This is the first time that Kerry has had a three-point edge in nearly a month.
However, the nature of a three-day rolling average survey means that this could
be either statistical noise or a meaningful change. We won't know the answer
for a couple of days.

Neither candidate has been ahead by 3-points for more than three days since
John Kerry wrapped up the Democratic nomination. In fact, during that entire
time frame, neither candidate has moved more than 3 percentage points from the
45% mark. Not coincidentally, the survey margin of sampling error is +/- 3
percentage points.

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Harry this post does nothing to help your case. Take up jim--'s bet and
make a difference. Is your life so worthless that you view your
trolling as
a worthy endeavor?


Nor does the poll mean anything......random adults don't go to the
polls.......



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Iraq and the Election
Poll Shows Bush Losing Ground on Anti-terror Policy

Analysis
By Gary Langer
ABCNEWS.com

June 21, 2004

- Amid rising disenchantment with the war in Iraq, President Bush has
lost significant ground on the issue on which he's staked his
presidency: fighting terrorism.

For the first time in ABC News/Washington Post polls, more than half
of
Americans, 52 percent, say the Iraq war was not worth fighting. Seven
in
10 call U.S. casualties there "unacceptable," a new high. And there's
been a steady slide in belief that the war has enhanced long-term U.S.
security; 51 percent now say so, down 11 points this year.

Bush, moreover, has weakened in his once-strongest area. Approval of
his
handling of the U.S. campaign against terrorism has fallen to 50
percent, its lowest yet - down eight points in the last month and 29
points below its immediate postwar peak. In a hazardous turn of
fortune
for Bush, Democrat John Kerry now runs evenly with him in trust to
handle terrorism; Bush had led by 13 points on this issue a month ago,
and by 21 points the month before.

Sampling, data collection and tabulation for this poll were done by
TNS.

While Kerry's pressing hard on an issue Bush once owned, the president
has not entirely relinquished his advantage on terrorism. On a
personal
level, the public by a 14-point margin picks him over Kerry to keep
the
nation safer and more secure. And the Massachusetts senator may be
vulnerable on specifics; only four in 10 say he has a "clear plan" on
terrorism, while Bush does better.

But Kerry is scoring against Bush elsewhere as well, running ahead in
trust to handle five of nine issues tested in this poll, from taxes to
education to health care; Bush doesn't lead significantly in any of
them. And personally, while Americans broadly see Bush as more
consistent, they see Kerry as more honest and trustworthy, by a
13-point
margin, and more in touch with their problems, by 20 points.

Evaluating Bush's overall job performance, 47 percent of Americans now
approve while 51 percent disapprove, inching over half for the first
time in ABC/Post polls. In head-to-head matchups among registered
voters, Kerry has a slight four-point lead over Bush when independent
candidate Ralph Nader is included, and a larger eight-point lead with
Nader out of the contest.

With life-and-death issues such as Iraq and terrorism as a backdrop,
and
the economy a continued concern, interest in the presidential contest
is
unusually high. More than three-quarters of Americans are following it
closely, a third "very closely." By contrast, at this time in 2000,
fewer than half (49 percent) were closely following the contest
between
Bush and Al Gore, only 13 percent very closely.

Iraq Impact

While time ultimately will tell, at this point it's hard to see Iraq
as
anything but a net negative politically for the Bush administration.
In
addition to increasingly negative reaction to the level of casualties,
and essentially split decisions on whether the war was worth fighting
or
improved U.S. security, other assessments have worsened as well.

Seventy-six percent now say the war has damaged the United States'
image
in the rest of the world; that's 13 points more than last summer.
Sixty-three percent say it's caused long-term harm to U.S. relations
with countries that opposed the war, up 12 points. And just four in 10
say it's improved long-term stability in the Middle East, down eight
points. (In a more positive assessment, 65 percent think the war has
improved the lives of the Iraqi people.)


Iraq Handover

Given such views, the public seems eager to put Iraq back into Iraqis'
hands. An overwhelming 82 percent approve of the transfer of power to
an
interim government on June 30 - but many see it as an insufficient
exercise. More than half think the United States will continue to hold
the real power in Iraq, even though three-quarters would prefer to see
real power shift to the Iraqis.

Indeed, the public splits evenly on who should have final say on the
presence of U.S. forces in Iraq - the United States or the new Iraqi
government. And majorities say the Iraqis should have final say on a
variety of other fronts - running Iraq's oil industry, managing its
economy, administering its non-U.S. foreign aid and determining what's
ultimately done with Saddam Hussein. (For the time being, though,
Americans by 2-1 say the United States should keep physical custody of
the former Iraqi president.)

There are just two matters, by contrast, in which majorities say the
United States should retain final say in Iraq: the activities (as
opposed to the presence) of U.S. forces, and the administration of
American aid projects.


Others results show mixed perceptions of progress for the Bush
administration: With a new interim government now in place and the
formal handover imminent, half of Americans say the United States has
made "significant progress" toward establishing a democratic
government
in Iraq. While hardly rousing, that's up by 12 points from last month.
The country divides similarly, 51 percent to 48 percent, on U.S.
progress toward restoring civil order.

Iraq and Al Qaeda

Most Americans continue to suspect that Iraq, under Saddam, did
provide
support to the al Qaeda terrorist network - a position under debate
since the 9/11 commission last week reported that there was evidence
of
contacts, but not of an operational relationship, between the two.

It should be noted, though, that the majority's suspicion of an
Iraq-al
Qaeda link is just that - a suspicion, not an assertion or assumption
of
fact. In this poll, 62 percent think Iraq provided direct support to
al
Qaeda, nearly what it was (68 percent) in January 2003, before the
war.
But just 23 percent say there's "solid evidence" of this support; 38
percent say instead that it's their suspicion only.

As on other "50/50 nation" issues, the public divides about evenly on
whether the Bush administration intentionally misled the American
public
about Iraq-al Qaeda links (48 percent say so) or told the public
simply
what it believed to be true (50 percent).

Terrorism

The murder Friday of Paul Johnson, an American working in Saudi
Arabia,
can't have helped public views of the terrorism situation; indeed,
Bush's approval rating on terrorism was better in interviews Thursday
night, before the slaying, than subsequently. At the same time, Bush's
trouble on this central issue has been brewing; he had 70 percent
approval on terrorism in mid-December, 64 percent in February and 58
percent in May, en route to his 50 percent now.

It's a problem for Bush because since Sept. 11, 2001, handling the war
on terrorism has been his strongest rating by far - the wellspring of
his support. In this poll, by contrast, it's no better than his
middling
ratings in several areas. And he does worse in a variety of others -
including health care (57 percent disapprove), the deficit (56 percent
disapprove, albeit better than the 65 percent disapproval in March),
international affairs and Iraq.


History

Bush's position is an uncomfortable one in historical terms. In all
but
one case since 1948, incumbent presidents whose approval ratings were
below 50 percent in June or July of an election year either lost
(Bush's
father, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford) or didn't run (Lyndon Johnson and
Harry Truman in 1952). The exception was Truman in 1948.

Still, at 47 percent Bush's approval rating is higher than others' in
the group - closest to Ford, who lost narrowly. Bush's father's
approval
rating in June 1992, by contrast, was 12 points lower.

Bush vs. Kerry

As noted above, Kerry leads Bush in trust to handle a range of
specific
issues; moreover, Kerry's standing on some of these have improved. He
leads Bush by 13 points in trust to handle taxes; it was a six-point
Bush lead in April. Kerry leads Bush by 12 points in trust to handle
prescription drug benefits, up from three points in April. And Kerry
has
a 10-point lead on education; it was Bush +3 in April.

The most notable change, again, is in trust to handle terrorism - Bush
+21 in April, Bush +13 in May, Kerry +1 (i.e., a dead heat) now, a
shift
that occurred almost entirely among women, particularly independents.
But the change on education, among others, is important as well;
neutralizing the Democrats on this issue was crucial to Bush's 2000
campaign.




Most Important Issue

Americans divide on which issue will be most important in their vote
for
president: Twenty-six percent say the economy, 19 percent Iraq, 18
percent terrorism, with the rest divided among other choices. There
are
sharp divisions within these issue groups. People who say Iraq is
their
most important issue pick Kerry over Bush in trust to handle it by
nearly a 2-1 margin, 60 percent to 32 percent. Those who say it's
terrorism pick Bush to handle that issue by a similar margin, 67
percent
to 31 percent. Among economy voters, Kerry is preferred, by 21 points.



Economy

The economy is one area in which the headwinds against Bush may be
easing. In March, Bush's disapproval for handling it was higher, 59
percent, and Kerry (riding his primary bounce) had a bigger lead in
trust to handle it. While just 45 percent now say the economy's in
good
shape, it was worse, 39 percent, in March, and worse still, 30
percent,
last fall.

At the same time, using Ronald Reagan's famous formulation, 45 percent
of Americans say most people are worse off than when Bush took office,
while just 17 percent say most are better off. This was a bit more
negative last fall, but it's still not at all good. To the extent that
Bush may try to claim the Reagan mantle, Kerry might well respond with
the better-off question that same president enshrined in the political
lexicon.

Plans

Fifty-five percent say Bush does have a clear plan for dealing with
terrorism, but fewer, ranging from 42 percent to 48 percent, say he
has
clear plans in other important areas: handling Iraq, the economy and
health care.

Majorities see Kerry as having clear plans for two issues on this
list -
health care and the economy. But just 42 percent say he has a clear
plan
on either terrorism or Iraq - 13 points worse than Bush on the former,
six points on the latter.


Attributes

In addition to issues, assessments of candidates' personal attributes
are an essential piece of any election puzzle. Here Americans are
differentiating between Bush and Kerry in striking ways. Bush has a
21-point lead over Kerry as someone who "takes a position and sticks
with it," and, as noted, a 14-point lead as someone who "will make the
country safer and more secure."

Bush also leads by eight points as the stronger leader, and by 12 as
the
one best trusted in a crisis. The two are rated about evenly in values
and standing up to special interest groups; while, as noted, Kerry
leads
by 13 points on honesty and trustworthiness, and by 20 points on
empathy
- someone who "understands the problems of people like you." As much
as
the issues, winning allegiance on these attributes is the ground on
which the 2004 election will be fought.

Optimism

Part of winning that allegiance relies on the candidates' personal
outlook, and the extent to which it jibes with the public's. Despite
the
country's problems, optimism prevails in several areas.

Thinking about the year ahead, 62 percent are optimistic about "the
way
things are going in this country" (albeit down seven points from
January); 66 percent are optimistic about the country's ability to
defend itself against terrorism (albeit down nine points); 64 percent
are optimistic about the economy (level). Fewer, 52 percent, are
optimistic about the situation in Iraq; it was 58 percent in January.

A challenge for Kerry is in finding a way to confront Bush on these
issues, and portray the problems they pose, without sounding a note of
dour pessimism that's out of touch with the broader public's point of
view. Bush, for his part, has made a point lately of stressing his
optimistic outlook, and contrasting it with Kerry's.

Vote Preference

These issues and attributes will play out in vote preferences all
summer
and fall; what matters more at this point is the substance of the
debate, not its eventual outcome - which news polls this far from the
event don't even try to project.

Among other factors, vote preferences are influenced by, and in turn
influence, political party allegiance. Among registered voters in this
poll, 38 percent describe themselves as Democrats, 30 percent as
Republicans and 28 percent as independents (it's a 35 percent-29
percent-30 percent split among all Americans, not just those who say
they're registered to vote).

Those divisions are almost precisely the same as they were in the last
ABC/Post poll, in late May (among registered voters, 37 percent-29
percent-28 percent). In that poll, Bush and Kerry were even in the
three-way race (46 percent-46 percent-4 percent, compared with 44
percent-48 percent-6 percent here); and it was 47 percent-49 percent
Bush-Kerry in the two-way race, compared with 45 percent-53 percent
here.

These slight shifts in preference have occurred, not in the overall
partisan makeup of the sample, but among groups. Women, in particular,
have moved toward Kerry, as have, perhaps most crucially,
independents -
the true swing voters in election politics.

Methodology

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone June
17-20
among a random national sample of 1,201 adults. The results have a
three-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation
were
done by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Iraq and the Election
Poll Shows Bush Losing Ground on Anti-terror Policy

More misleading leads.....

Bottom line: about half the country's concerned about the war. Duh!

Where's the beef? Right here---

..... the president
has not entirely relinquished his advantage on terrorism. On a personal
level, the public by a 14-point margin picks him over Kerry to keep the
nation safer and more secure.



...Kerry is scoring against Bush elsewhere as well, running ahead in
trust to handle five of nine issues tested in this poll,

Gee, that's about half, isn't it?

No, it's not. It's approximately .55555556

.....Bush doesn't lead significantly in any of
them.

Of course, there's no comment as to whether Kerry leads significantly in any
of them. Slanted reportage?

Yeah, any time there is something positive about Kerry, the right
thinks it's because of reporting, then when something negative is said
of Bush, it's the reporting. Something positive about Bush, and/or
negative about Kerry, is automatically deemed as trusted fair and
balanced. How stupid.



Methodology

....among a random national sample of 1,201 adults.

Not likely voters? Waste of time.

Who said they were "not likely voters"?

"basskisser" wrote in message

Gee, that's about half, isn't it?

No, it's not. It's approximately .55555556

Oh, God! sigh You see, bass, that's why I interjected the word 'about'.


.....Bush doesn't lead significantly in any of them.

Of course, there's no comment as to whether Kerry leads significantly in
any
of them. Slanted reportage?

Yeah, any time there is something positive about Kerry, the right
thinks it's because of reporting, then when something negative is said
of Bush, it's the reporting. Something positive about Bush, and/or
negative about Kerry, is automatically deemed as trusted fair and
balanced. How stupid.

Missed point. Again. We're heading for a hundred reps.


Methodology

....among a random national sample of 1,201 adults.

Not likely voters? Waste of time.

Who said they were "not likely voters"?

LOL!!! Very rich, indeed.

Tell you what. Go read a bit about how polls are conducted, particularly
political polls, and the methodology and terminology used.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message

Gee, that's about half, isn't it?

No, it's not. It's approximately .55555556

Oh, God! sigh You see, bass, that's why I interjected the word 'about'.

Hmm, so, let's see, where does this magical mathematical threshold
called "about", take place?
Is .66666 "about" half? Is .8 "about" half? Is 5,0000 "about" half?

basskisser wrote:

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message

Gee, that's about half, isn't it?

No, it's not. It's approximately .55555556

Oh, God! sigh You see, bass, that's why I interjected the word 'about'.

Hmm, so, let's see, where does this magical mathematical threshold
called "about", take place?
Is .66666 "about" half? Is .8 "about" half? Is 5,0000 "about" half?


Ha ha ha. You really are *so* stupid it's embarassing.

-- Charlie