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On Nov 12, 3:37 pm, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JR North" wrote in message
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Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the pump.
Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't expect the
prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might just find it
back to $4
JR
Nobody likes a spoilsport.
You're gonna give "O" some ideas of things to raise taxes on in order to
force you to
buy an oversized golf cart which is what he's gonna force Ford, GM and
Chrysler to build if they want a bailout.
Eisboch
Heaven forbid U.S. car makers produce mostly high quality, smaller, fuel
efficient cars that people want to buy and dump most of the oversized,
overpowered, mediocre quality V8's behemoths that get 13 mpg. Or less.
Again, you get it wrong. If the vast majority of people wanted to buy
smaller, fuel efficient cars,
Detroit would have been be turning them out by the millions for years.
That may change (and it should), but the point is .... Detroit builds what
people buy.
Eisboch
Apparently Detroit builds what people don't what to buy.- Hide quoted text -

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You must have gotten that idea from Fox News Monday evening

No, Fox would never say "what people don't what to buy." That doesn't
make sense even from a "professional writer".

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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When Bush first took office the national average price for a gallon of
regular gas was $1.46.

Today, eight years later, regular is selling around here for about
$2.21/gal. In some places, like Cleveland, Ohio, the price has dropped
below 2 bucks/gal.

Not bad for 8 years.

Nice job, W.


Eisboch (the facts are true, the rest is a joke to yank a few chains)

The lower gas prices are nice. It's the rest of the *world* economy I'm
worried about.

Insightful. It is really called deflation. The opposite of inflation.
With the market loosing so much value, people losing jobs, the prices people
will pay is going with it. The right "sustainable" price for oil would be
about $70-85 barrel.

Sounds good at first glance, but it is in reality a sure sign of depression.
It means that homes will further decrease in value and even more people will
"walk away" from their debts. In effect, the US economy value is equalizing
to India, China, South America...

This will lead to total collapse as how does the US government pay for a 12
trillion debt in an outright stalled economy? Government prints money like
a crack junky shoots dope.

Add the insatiable spend-crazy lust for governments to bail out companies
like GM and the banks paints a bleak picture for the US economy. Very bleak
indeed. Every time the government announces a bail out we get a market
tumble.

"JR North" wrote in message
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Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the pump.
Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't expect the
prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might just find it
back to $4
JR

You are likely right. Any market recovery and oil will go right past
$100/barrel in light speed due to anticipation of demand. If China kicks in
it will be sooner than we think.

Too bad gasoline does not keep and if I had a 5000 gallon tank to hold it.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JR North" wrote in message
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Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the pump.
Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't expect the
prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might just find it
back to $4
JR



Nobody likes a spoilsport.

You're gonna give "O" some ideas of things to raise taxes on in order to
force you to
buy an oversized golf cart which is what he's gonna force Ford, GM and
Chrysler to build if they want a bailout.

Eisboch


Heaven forbid U.S. car makers produce mostly high quality, smaller, fuel
efficient cars that people want to buy and dump most of the oversized,
overpowered, mediocre quality V8's behemoths that get 13 mpg. Or less.

I am going to keep my F150 thank you. Nice ride and pulls a boat and has
4x4 for the winter. Try that with a pint sized electric car up a long hill.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JR North" wrote in message
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Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the
pump. Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't
expect the prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might
just find it back to $4
JR


Nobody likes a spoilsport.

You're gonna give "O" some ideas of things to raise taxes on in order
to force you to
buy an oversized golf cart which is what he's gonna force Ford, GM and
Chrysler to build if they want a bailout.

Eisboch

Heaven forbid U.S. car makers produce mostly high quality, smaller, fuel
efficient cars that people want to buy and dump most of the oversized,
overpowered, mediocre quality V8's behemoths that get 13 mpg. Or less.


Again, you get it wrong. If the vast majority of people wanted to buy
smaller, fuel efficient cars,
Detroit would have been be turning them out by the millions for years.

That may change (and it should), but the point is .... Detroit builds
what people buy.

Eisboch

Apparently Detroit builds what people don't what to buy.

Actually have a car dealership finance manager in the family. Inside word
is that they have buyers, but credit bounces. Basically you need sufficient
collateral, job or cash with a good rating. Just like 40 years ago. They
are losing 9/10 sales this way.

I guess part of this is that a good part of the debt financed middle class
is bankrupt.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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When Bush first took office the national average price for a gallon of
regular gas was $1.46.

Today, eight years later, regular is selling around here for about
$2.21/gal. In some places, like Cleveland, Ohio, the price has dropped
below 2 bucks/gal.

Not bad for 8 years.

Nice job, W.


Eisboch (the facts are true, the rest is a joke to yank a few chains)

The lower gas prices are nice. It's the rest of the *world* economy I'm
worried about.

Insightful. It is really called deflation. The opposite of inflation.
With the market loosing so much value, people losing jobs, the prices
people will pay is going with it. The right "sustainable" price for oil
would be about $70-85 barrel.

Sounds good at first glance, but it is in reality a sure sign of
depression. It means that homes will further decrease in value and even
more people will "walk away" from their debts. In effect, the US economy
value is equalizing to India, China, South America...

This will lead to total collapse as how does the US government pay for a
12 trillion debt in an outright stalled economy? Government prints money
like a crack junky shoots dope.

Add the insatiable spend-crazy lust for governments to bail out companies
like GM and the banks paints a bleak picture for the US economy. Very
bleak indeed. Every time the government announces a bail out we get a
market tumble.

My hope is that the GM/Ford/Chrysler problems are resolved (if resolvable)
in bankruptcy, not throwing more tax payer dollars at them.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"JR North" wrote in message
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Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the pump.
Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't expect the
prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might just find it
back to $4
JR

You are likely right. Any market recovery and oil will go right past
$100/barrel in light speed due to anticipation of demand. If China kicks
in it will be sooner than we think.

Too bad gasoline does not keep and if I had a 5000 gallon tank to hold it.


Lots of Stabil. Oh, the 5000 gallon tank. 8)

On Nov 12, 4:38*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JR North" wrote in message
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Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the
pump. Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't
expect the prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might
just find it back to $4
JR

Nobody likes a spoilsport.

You're gonna give "O" some ideas of things to raise taxes on in order
to force you to
buy an oversized golf cart which is what he's gonna force Ford, GM and
Chrysler to build if they want a bailout.

Eisboch

Heaven forbid U.S. car makers produce mostly high quality, smaller, fuel
efficient cars that people want to buy and dump most of the oversized,
overpowered, mediocre quality V8's behemoths that get 13 mpg. Or less..

Again, you get it wrong. *If the vast majority of people wanted to buy
smaller, fuel efficient cars,
Detroit would *have been be turning them out by the millions for years.

That may change (and it should), but the point is .... Detroit builds
what people buy.

Eisboch

Apparently Detroit builds what people don't what to buy.

sigh

Correct. *This year. *Or, more accurately the past 6 months.

Eisboch

Ford and GM took a look at trying to compete with Honda, Toyota and
Nissan in the small, efficient cars ten years ago. They were
completely unable to compete because of the labor cost in their
vehicles compared to their competion, thanks to the UAW.

Their only way to make enough money to continue to meet the finacial
obligation forced on them by union labor was to continue to build high
profit SUVs and trucks. Now that that's over, the UAW slobs with
barely a high school education living on easy street may have to
tighten their belts to allow the auto makers to survive. Heh.. will
that happen? Of course not... the unions say screw everyone else, we
got ours!

wrote:
On Nov 12, 4:38 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"JR North" wrote in message
...
Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the
pump. Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't
expect the prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might
just find it back to $4
JR
Nobody likes a spoilsport.
You're gonna give "O" some ideas of things to raise taxes on in order
to force you to
buy an oversized golf cart which is what he's gonna force Ford, GM and
Chrysler to build if they want a bailout.
Eisboch
Heaven forbid U.S. car makers produce mostly high quality, smaller, fuel
efficient cars that people want to buy and dump most of the oversized,
overpowered, mediocre quality V8's behemoths that get 13 mpg. Or less.
Again, you get it wrong. If the vast majority of people wanted to buy
smaller, fuel efficient cars,
Detroit would have been be turning them out by the millions for years.
That may change (and it should), but the point is .... Detroit builds
what people buy.
Eisboch
Apparently Detroit builds what people don't what to buy.
sigh

Correct. This year. Or, more accurately the past 6 months.

Eisboch

Ford and GM took a look at trying to compete with Honda, Toyota and
Nissan in the small, efficient cars ten years ago. They were
completely unable to compete because of the labor cost in their
vehicles compared to their competion, thanks to the UAW.

Their only way to make enough money to continue to meet the finacial
obligation forced on them by union labor was to continue to build high
profit SUVs and trucks. Now that that's over, the UAW slobs with
barely a high school education living on easy street may have to
tighten their belts to allow the auto makers to survive. Heh.. will
that happen? Of course not... the unions say screw everyone else, we
got ours!
UAW slobs??
How white of you. In your world only Investment Bankers should make a
decent living.
The average wage was around 58,000.00 a year. So you want them to make
20,000.00 or 10,000.00?
The UAW is not the problem. The problem is the bean counters building
cars that are not desirable as we want at too high a markup and interest
rates that may be, in total as much again as the price of the vehicle.
Global Wall Street demands for too high a return on investment, and then
their gambling with worthless, imaginary values causing a collapse is
the problem.

wrote:
On Nov 12, 4:38 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"JR North" wrote in message
...
Gas your pigs up while you can. Not gonna tow Cruis'n Rulz! to the
pump. Gonna just get 5 gal at a time and fill her up at home. Don't
expect the prices will hold till next spring. If you wait, you might
just find it back to $4
JR
Nobody likes a spoilsport.
You're gonna give "O" some ideas of things to raise taxes on in order
to force you to
buy an oversized golf cart which is what he's gonna force Ford, GM and
Chrysler to build if they want a bailout.
Eisboch
Heaven forbid U.S. car makers produce mostly high quality, smaller, fuel
efficient cars that people want to buy and dump most of the oversized,
overpowered, mediocre quality V8's behemoths that get 13 mpg. Or less.
Again, you get it wrong. If the vast majority of people wanted to buy
smaller, fuel efficient cars,
Detroit would have been be turning them out by the millions for years.
That may change (and it should), but the point is .... Detroit builds
what people buy.
Eisboch
Apparently Detroit builds what people don't what to buy.
sigh

Correct. This year. Or, more accurately the past 6 months.

Eisboch

Ford and GM took a look at trying to compete with Honda, Toyota and
Nissan in the small, efficient cars ten years ago. They were
completely unable to compete because of the labor cost in their
vehicles compared to their competion, thanks to the UAW.

Their only way to make enough money to continue to meet the finacial
obligation forced on them by union labor was to continue to build high
profit SUVs and trucks. Now that that's over, the UAW slobs with
barely a high school education living on easy street may have to
tighten their belts to allow the auto makers to survive. Heh.. will
that happen? Of course not... the unions say screw everyone else, we
got ours!


Such hatred for the working man and woman...typical.
Oh...the Japanese aren't saddled with the high cost of providing health
care for their employees and retirees.