"tin cup" wrote in message
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Ford and GM took a look at trying to compete with Honda, Toyota and
Nissan in the small, efficient cars ten years ago. They were
completely unable to compete because of the labor cost in their
vehicles compared to their competion, thanks to the UAW.

Their only way to make enough money to continue to meet the finacial
obligation forced on them by union labor was to continue to build high
profit SUVs and trucks. Now that that's over, the UAW slobs with
barely a high school education living on easy street may have to
tighten their belts to allow the auto makers to survive. Heh.. will
that happen? Of course not... the unions say screw everyone else, we
got ours!


UAW slobs??
How white of you. In your world only Investment Bankers should make a
decent living.
The average wage was around 58,000.00 a year. So you want them to make
20,000.00 or 10,000.00?
The UAW is not the problem. The problem is the bean counters building cars
that are not desirable as we want at too high a markup and interest rates
that may be, in total as much again as the price of the vehicle. Global
Wall Street demands for too high a return on investment, and then their
gambling with worthless, imaginary values causing a collapse is the
problem.

I don't consider UAW members "slobs", but I agree with his overall
assesment.
The auto industry has signed up to some very expensive union contracts over
the years,
providing pay and benefit packages far in excess to those earned by
non-union workers with a similar education. This was done in robust
economic times and the high margin vechicles contributed the most towards
covering the costs of the benefit packages.

The small, fuel efficient cars are low margin products. Now that they have
become "desireable", GM, Ford and Chrysler are facing bankrupcy. The whole
structure has to change. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $50K
for a fuel efficient, Ford Focus, nor should they.

Eisboch

On Nov 13, 2:38*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I don't consider UAW members "slobs", *but I agree with his overall
assesment.

I was a bit over the top with that. I don't really blame the workers,
they're just taking advantage of the high-paying jobs available to
them. The UAW is specifically the one to blame here, by forcing the
automakers into paying this kind of money to unskilled workers,
ultimately bringing about the death of the entire American auto
industry.

It's past time to break the unions and come back to reality. They've
outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on society as a
whole.

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On Nov 13, 2:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I don't consider UAW members "slobs", but I agree with his overall
assesment.

I was a bit over the top with that. I don't really blame the workers,
they're just taking advantage of the high-paying jobs available to
them. The UAW is specifically the one to blame here, by forcing the
automakers into paying this kind of money to unskilled workers,
ultimately bringing about the death of the entire American auto
industry.

It's past time to break the unions and come back to reality. They've
outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on society as a
whole.

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A couple posts ago you were bragging about how well along you and your wife
were in your retirement plans.
I suppose the unionized force should be happy sitting on a park bench
begging for crumbs to eat and a lump of coal to heat their single room
dwelling.

Don White wrote: wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 2:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I don't consider UAW members "slobs", but I agree with his overall
assesment.

I was a bit over the top with that. I don't really blame the workers,
they're just taking advantage of the high-paying jobs available to
them. The UAW is specifically the one to blame here, by forcing the
automakers into paying this kind of money to unskilled workers,
ultimately bringing about the death of the entire American auto
industry.

It's past time to break the unions and come back to reality. They've
outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on society as a
whole.


It's way past time to break the corporate mentality and start over.
Corporations have outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on
society.

"Boater" wrote in message
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It's way past time to break the corporate mentality and start over.
Corporations have outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on
society.

Call your new leader and have him nationalize all corporations. He'll love
the idea.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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It's way past time to break the corporate mentality and start over.
Corporations have outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on
society.

Call your new leader and have him nationalize all corporations. He'll love
the idea.

Eisboch




Bush seems to be doing that via Paulson...of course, he won't tell us
where the money is going.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Don White wrote: wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 2:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I don't consider UAW members "slobs", but I agree with his overall
assesment.

I was a bit over the top with that. I don't really blame the workers,
they're just taking advantage of the high-paying jobs available to
them. The UAW is specifically the one to blame here, by forcing the
automakers into paying this kind of money to unskilled workers,
ultimately bringing about the death of the entire American auto
industry.

It's past time to break the unions and come back to reality. They've
outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on society as a
whole.


It's way past time to break the corporate mentality and start over.
Corporations have outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on
society.

It's corpoprate greed that has sold us all down the river.
We see it locally in our electric power company.
They have a monopoly, so are always looking to raise the rates while the
senior execs earn 44% over managers in comparable positions in the rest of
the country.

On Nov 13, 12:49*pm, "Don White" wrote:
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On Nov 13, 2:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't consider UAW members "slobs", but I agree with his overall
assesment.

I was a bit over the top with that. *I don't really blame the workers,
they're *just taking advantage of the high-paying jobs available to
them. *The UAW is specifically the one to blame here, by forcing the
automakers into paying this kind of money to unskilled workers,
ultimately bringing about the death of the entire American auto
industry.

It's past time to break the unions and come back to reality. *They've
outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on society as a
whole.

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A couple posts ago you were bragging about how well along you and your wife
were in your retirement plans.

Not bragging, just stating facts. I'm doing a larger version of what
my Dad did, since it's almost certain that SS won't be around when I
retire. I'm not depending on anyone, or any goverment, to take care
of me.

I suppose the unionized force should be happy sitting on a park bench
begging for crumbs to eat and a lump of coal to heat their single room
dwelling.

Not at all. They should just live within their means, and be paid a
decent wage for their work. If they want to earn more and have more
financial security, they should do what most do and go to school, get
more education, and ultimately a better paying job.

Twisting a corporation's arm (oops, collective bargaining) for more
and more until they put that corporation under only serves them in the
short term. Once that company can no longer function with the wages
and benefits the union has saddled them with, then no one has a job.
Then they *will* be sitting on that park bench begging for crumbs,
huh?