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I swear everything I see from him is all about how wrong or bad things
will be if Obama gets elected. That's his entire message these days.

That's all he's got left and it's a shame- I used to think a lot more of
him than I do now.

He's turned out to be a totally unlikable guy. At least Bob Dole had some
dignity and humor in defeat.

McCain is loyal to his supporters and I suspect he feels that he let them
down.
His supporters were often critical of him during the campaign for not "going
after Obama" more aggressively.
I think much of what is going on now is for the benefit of his troops.

Two things have all but killed his chances:

1. The economy tanked on Sept 15th.
2. He was up against a smooth, motivational style speaker.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
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mmc wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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I swear everything I see from him is all about how wrong or bad things
will be if Obama gets elected. That's his entire message these days.

That's all he's got left and it's a shame- I used to think a lot more of
him than I do now.
He's turned out to be a totally unlikable guy. At least Bob Dole had some
dignity and humor in defeat.

McCain is loyal to his supporters and I suspect he feels that he let them
down.
His supporters were often critical of him during the campaign for not "going
after Obama" more aggressively.
I think much of what is going on now is for the benefit of his troops.

Two things have all but killed his chances:

1. The economy tanked on Sept 15th.
2. He was up against a smooth, motivational style speaker.

Eisboch




There's a lot more than "two things" working against McCain. One of the
biggest is McCain himself: old, doddering, ornery, bereft of ideas,
disconnected, bad judgment, and negativity.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

Two things have all but killed his chances:

1. The economy tanked on Sept 15th.
2. He was up against a smooth, motivational style speaker.

Eisboch




There's a lot more than "two things" working against McCain. One of the
biggest is McCain himself: old, doddering, ornery, bereft of ideas,
disconnected, bad judgment, and negativity.

Of the two reasons (above) the economy crashing was the most significant.
Before that, McCain held an overall lead and, without the crash, would
probably be elected next week.

There's another reason, and one that the networks and media will be thinking
about in the future.

Mika Brzezinski spoke of it almost apologetically this morning on "Morning
Joe".
Her point was that the nomination of the first Afro-American as a major
party candidate became "the story" of this election cycle and overall the
media has been very biased towards Obama in their coverage of the two
candidates.

The whole system, including the media, has become corrupt. Networks like
MSNBC should make it clear that shows like Olbermann's "Countdown" are not
news resources and are not journalistic in nature. Huntley and Brinkley
would roll over in their graves if they saw his show.

"Goodnight, David"
"Goodnight, Chet"

Eisboch

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The whole system, including the media, has become corrupt. Networks like
MSNBC should make it clear that shows like Olbermann's "Countdown" are
not news resources and are not journalistic in nature. Huntley and
Brinkley would roll over in their graves if they saw his show.

"Goodnight, David"
"Goodnight, Chet"

I think you would have to be an idiot not to recognize that Countdown
promotes the lideral agenda. Just like OReily promotes the right.

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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The whole system, including the media, has become corrupt. Networks like
MSNBC should make it clear that shows like Olbermann's "Countdown" are
not news resources and are not journalistic in nature. Huntley and
Brinkley would roll over in their graves if they saw his show.

"Goodnight, David"
"Goodnight, Chet"

I think you would have to be an idiot not to recognize that Countdown
promotes the lideral agenda. Just like OReily promotes the right.


That's obvious. Thing is, before the election season got hot and heavy,
Olbermann's show was actually enjoyable. He reported current events often
with a humorous slant. That's when I started watching him.
The transition started when he decided it was time to start his nightly
attacks on Bush.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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The whole system, including the media, has become corrupt. Networks like
MSNBC should make it clear that shows like Olbermann's "Countdown" are
not news resources and are not journalistic in nature. Huntley and
Brinkley would roll over in their graves if they saw his show.

"Goodnight, David"
"Goodnight, Chet"

I think you would have to be an idiot not to recognize that Countdown
promotes the lideral agenda. Just like OReily promotes the right.


That's obvious. Thing is, before the election season got hot and heavy,
Olbermann's show was actually enjoyable. He reported current events often
with a humorous slant. That's when I started watching him.
The transition started when he decided it was time to start his nightly
attacks on Bush.

Eisboch



Well, someone had to do it. Who is more deserving of ridicule and scorn
than Bush?

Boater wrote:

There's a lot more than "two things" working against McCain. One of the
biggest is McCain himself: old, doddering, ornery, bereft of ideas,
disconnected, bad judgment, and negativity.

WAFA defines himself!

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:33:52 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Two things have all but killed his chances:

1. The economy tanked on Sept 15th.
2. He was up against a smooth, motivational style speaker.

Clearly, those didn't help McCain, but from where I sit, he ran a very
poor campaign. I would put Palin as his biggest problem. Not because of
the inadequate vetting, but because she was picked to appeal to his
"base". Republicans that think they can pull the country to the right,
are wrong. This country is ruled from the center. It's the nature of a
two party system.

The sad part is McCain is one of the more bipartisan Senators. His
Maverick status was attractive to many Independents and some Democrats.
IMO, his mistake was in shifting to the right. He should have been
dragging his "base" along to the center.

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:33:52 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Two things have all but killed his chances:

1. The economy tanked on Sept 15th.
2. He was up against a smooth, motivational style speaker.



Clearly, those didn't help McCain, but from where I sit, he ran a very
poor campaign. I would put Palin as his biggest problem. Not because of
the inadequate vetting, but because she was picked to appeal to his
"base". Republicans that think they can pull the country to the right,
are wrong. This country is ruled from the center. It's the nature of a
two party system.

You may be correct, but for purposes of his campaign, visibility in the
press and resultant poll numbers, Palin didn't hurt him. To the contrary,
she contributed to a significant "bounce". Note, I said for "purposes of
his campaign". I am not commenting on her qualifications.

Even now, as more information is available and her popularity has dropped
off a bit, McCain's standings in the polls are still helped with her on the
ticket.

Eisboch

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:15:03 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Even now, as more information is available and her popularity has
dropped off a bit, McCain's standings in the polls are still helped with
her on the ticket.

But where? These numbers may not be accurate anymore, but several months
back, the electorate was basically divide up as 1/3 Republicans, 1/3
Democrats, and 1/3 Independents. To win, McCain needs significant
Independents, and needs to poach some Democrats. I'll agree Palin
pleases many Republicans, but I haven't heard one Democrat say anything
good about her. We'll have to wait until Tuesday to see how the
Independents go. If McCain had gone with his first choice, Lieberman, I
think this would have been a much closer race. In many ways, Palin has
been a distraction.