"jim" wrote in message
...
It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.

Start small...with yourself.

Don White wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...
It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.

Start small...with yourself.




Bingo. Isn't it amazing how the Seven Little Schitts think themselves
blameless?

On Sep 7, 8:21*pm, jim wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...
It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.

A strictly adhered to filter regiment might work, but many, including me,
get sucked back into discussions by quoted references. *I am willing to try
to totally ignore, if that is the consensus.

My concern, in the case of Harry, is that if he runs out of people to insult
or listen to his politics, he would just crosspost in an attempt to
encourage and draw in new blood. * Hell, he has already acknowledged that.
SNIP
Eisboch

I've had him filtered for a couple of weeks but I still see his crap in
90% of the posts here. We have to do something to get rid of him or
there will never be peace here.

Well, one thing you can do is to remember to remove an offenders post
from your reply, then all that people will see is your post.

On Sep 7, 10:41*pm, Tim wrote:
On Sep 7, 8:21*pm, jim wrote:



Eisboch wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...
It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.

A strictly adhered to filter regiment might work, but many, including me,
get sucked back into discussions by quoted references. *I am willing to try
to totally ignore, if that is the consensus.

My concern, in the case of Harry, is that if he runs out of people to insult
or listen to his politics, he would just crosspost in an attempt to
encourage and draw in new blood. * Hell, he has already acknowledged that.
SNIP
Eisboch

I've had him filtered for a couple of weeks but I still see his crap in
90% of the posts here. We have to do something to get rid of him or
there will never be peace here.

Well, one thing you can do is to remember to remove an offenders post
from your reply, then all that people will see is your post.


Actually, the thing to do is to ignore the offender. If temptation to
flame still exists, then get and/or set up filters

Or that's how I see it

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:10:55 -0700, Mike wrote:

I just have him filtered... it's easier. I don't understand why everyone
else doesn't do the same.

Because they can't. They need Harry. Look around, Harry isn't the
problem. He *can* be filtered. His cross-posting threads *can* be
filtered, but then, what will all the fish do? For a large percentage
here, this isn't rec.boats it's rec.harry.

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On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:10:55 -0700, Mike wrote:

I just have him filtered... it's easier. I don't understand why everyone
else doesn't do the same.

Because they can't. They need Harry. Look around, Harry isn't the
problem. He *can* be filtered. His cross-posting threads *can* be
filtered, but then, what will all the fish do? For a large percentage
here, this isn't rec.boats it's rec.harry.

That's exactly what harry wants. Ignore him, and it will stop... simple as
that. There's no need to "defend yourself" from him. harry knows nothing
about any of us. Anything he says is pure fabrication, surely the
intelligent here must realize that!

--Mike

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:03:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"jim" wrote in message
...
It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.



A strictly adhered to filter regiment might work, but many, including me,
get sucked back into discussions by quoted references. I am willing to try
to totally ignore, if that is the consensus.

My concern, in the case of Harry, is that if he runs out of people to insult
or listen to his politics, he would just crosspost in an attempt to
encourage and draw in new blood. Hell, he has already acknowledged that.

Gene's algorithm obviously does not fix the problem. It is a great idea,
intended to eliminate OT, but it obviously has holes.

One of the historical issues is that "rec.boats" does not have a charter to
fall back upon as a reference for conformity of topic or conduct. It's the
original boating newsgroup and was started without benefit of a published
charter. There is an old "FAQ" list, but no official charter.

This is not to say that a charter guaranties civility or even helps, but
"rec.boats" lacks a reference for conduct.

The problem is not unique to rec.boats however. Virtually all of the
unmoderated NGs I've read suffer from the same problems prevalent here. It
seems like every one has it's own "Harry".

Eisboch


And keep in mind that what Harry is doing here, with his crossposting, he
is also doing in all those other groups.

It is not that hard to filter him and ignore him. If you, or anyone, feel
they *must* get into a ****ing contest with Harry, it's always possible to
meet him at one of his other groups.

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:10:55 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

But I might spell it wrong But it's done, anyone else in?

I just have him filtered... it's easier. I don't understand why everyone
else doesn't do the same. Even when you respond with your disclaimer, harry
*knows* he's getting attention. That's the problem... he thrives on it
postitive or negative.

--Mike

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On Sep 7, 9:38 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sep 7, 9:13 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:





wrote in message

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On Sep 7, 8:36 pm, jim wrote:

It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could
conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.

We can. It almost happened before when the ones of us left completely
ignored him. We could do it again but then he gets crazy and makes
some sock puppets or a thinly veiled troll having to do with boats.. I
say everyone should have one respons to anything he says, a dot and
the words screw off. No matter what he says... Shun anybody stupid
enough to engage him, and just let him go...

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I would suggest forgetting even the Chucky dots or *any* comment.
To use them acknowledges presence of the offending poster.

Eisboch

[The members of this news group have unanimously decided that this
poster is detrimental to the group in general. Therefore, this and all
future posts, questions, trolls, and sockpuppets will be ignored]

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"Persona non grata"

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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But I might spell it wrong But it's done, anyone else in?


Agreed. Hopefully, Gene will see the light and filter the problem in his
'rec.boats', i.e., Harry Krause.

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:41:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Sep 7, 8:21*pm, jim wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...
It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.

A strictly adhered to filter regiment might work, but many, including me,
get sucked back into discussions by quoted references. *I am willing to try
to totally ignore, if that is the consensus.

My concern, in the case of Harry, is that if he runs out of people to insult
or listen to his politics, he would just crosspost in an attempt to
encourage and draw in new blood. * Hell, he has already acknowledged that.
SNIP
Eisboch

I've had him filtered for a couple of weeks but I still see his crap in
90% of the posts here. We have to do something to get rid of him or
there will never be peace here.

Well, one thing you can do is to remember to remove an offenders post
from your reply, then all that people will see is your post.

Yay!

Tim, are you willing to stop your discussions with Harry?

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:21:21 -0400, jim wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...
It's so sad to see Tom leave.

There must be something we can do to keep this NG alive.

A strict filtering regimin to eliminate Krause and any one else who
exhibits similar behavior could work.

Would anyone like to share any ideas to fix this NG? We could conference
over at Chucks via PM if he will allow it. Or maybe we could do it via
email.



A strictly adhered to filter regiment might work, but many, including me,
get sucked back into discussions by quoted references. I am willing to try
to totally ignore, if that is the consensus.

My concern, in the case of Harry, is that if he runs out of people to insult
or listen to his politics, he would just crosspost in an attempt to
encourage and draw in new blood. Hell, he has already acknowledged that.
SNIP
Eisboch


I've had him filtered for a couple of weeks but I still see his crap in
90% of the posts here. We have to do something to get rid of him or
there will never be peace here.

You could get a powerful start by taking away Scotty's computer. He's
incapable of stifling himself, and Harry LOVES the attention. He's a
troll attractant if ever there was one.