On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:





On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. *My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

evidently not higher quality enough.

surgical wingnuts?

hmmm, could their be a market for them?

On Apr 21, 4:28*am, DownTime wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:18 pm, george wrote:
On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.
At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

That's true, but the diffeence is in the quality of steel.

I have found that out the hard way with Heavy diesel armature shafts.

Even if you get them with heat treated splines, they still bend,
twist, or break.

I don't think the chinese know what a "Rockewell Standard" is...

If they do, they probably don't care enough to meet it for exports
heading to the USA. Anything, I mean ANYTHING I find with the made "In
China" label, goes back on the shelf.- Hide quoted text -

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What about the money that the U.S. of A is borrowing from none other
than China to fund the ridiculous war with Iraq?

On Apr 21, 12:44*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:18*pm, george wrote:

On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.

At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

That's true, but the diffeence is in the quality of steel.

I have found that out the hard way with Heavy diesel armature shafts.

Even if you get them with heat treated splines, they still bend,
twist, or break.

I don't think the chinese know what a "Rockewell Standard" is...

No, because they use different standards.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:26:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Heavy diesel armature shafts.

WTF?

Casady

On Apr 21, 10:47*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:26:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Heavy diesel armature shafts.

WTF?

Casady

If you want to know WTF, perhaps you should attribute the quote to the
proper person, first of all.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:20:19 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:02:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:49:19 -0700 (PDT),
|wrote:
|
|Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
|more but I know they are real SS.
|
|Test them with a magnet. Real SS isn't magnetic.
|
|If it's magnetic, it's probably imported.

It might be slightly magnetic, if it is a 400 or 600 series
(martensitic) stainless. (Example: 440C-Buck knife blade.)

Good point.

Fasteners, though, should probably be a 300 series and be
non-magnetic, since the 400 series is less resistant to corrosion.

Well, I have not had good luck with magnetic stainless - rusts
eventually and has to be replaced.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
| ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. *My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

On Apr 21, 10:58*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns





wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
| ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff..
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. *My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

very good point, indeed!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for
my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy
looking
| ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15
years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best
you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at
Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

You do have a good point, but it's messing your hair. 8-)

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:06:33 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for
my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy
looking
| ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15
years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best
you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at
Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

You do have a good point, but it's messing your hair. 8-)

Mess this Hair Boy. :)